CCI .22 Stinger.....

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Was at the range yesterday and put a box of the CCI Stinger .22LR through my Ruger 22/45. Not a hiccup. And I must say, I was very surprised at the effectiveness of this little round. Fast, accurate, and more powerful than I expected.

So this begs the question: what the heck is stopping someone from using this cheap, effective ammo as a SD round? I'm not talking home defense here, I'm suggesting the kind of "post-disaster" scenario that we may encounter around the neighborhood. I'm thinking that .22 Stinger in a Ruger 10/22 carbine would make a frightful paring. No? What are your thoughts?

Thanks!
 
You mean when the world ends on Dec 21 because the Mayan calender says so??

We don't do SHTF TEOTWAWKI on THR.

But If the Myans are right?
And If there is a disaster?
And If you alone survive?

Nothing is stopping you from using anything you have.

The rest of the time, there will still be some sort of law & order in effect.
And you would get in serious trouble shooting people "around the neighborhood" with Stingers, or anything else.

rc
 
The ballistic difference between this and other standardized factory HV 22LR is minimal in the scenario you propose. If you had to "loan" out ammo, the stinger type ammo with its slightly larger case would possibly cause feeding issues in some guns, namely bentz style chambers. Personally in your scenario I'd just stock up on CCI Mini-Mag solids. But to each their own.

Now if you are looking for a reason to stock up just cause, have at it. ;-)
 
And you would get in serious trouble shooting people "around the neighborhood" with Stingers, or anything else.
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Oh Lord, here we go again RC.... If I had 10 late teen "men" ransacking my neighborhood and closing in on my property to do damage, I'd have no problem blasting off a few rounds overhead to scare them off. If they posed a threat to the physical well being of my family or myself, then I take all reasonable and necessary steps to protect. This very scenario developed with scary regularity after Katrina and as recently as post-Sandy. We didn't hear about it in the news because the media had to protect a certain darling of theirs. And, I know a bit about these issues, as I am a lawyer...a criminal defense lawyer, specifically. ;)

Personally in your scenario I'd just stock up on CCI Mini-Mag solids.
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What are "Mini-Mag solids"? Similiar to the Stinger, ballistics-wise? I'd have to run some Stinger thru my carbine to see it there are feeding problems. And I have to say, there seemed to be quite a bit more "ummmpphhh" behind the Stinger compared to other .22 rounds that I shot. The Stinger fed much better too.
 
Just an FYI, Ruger does not recommend the use of hyper velocity ammo in the Mark series of pistols. I'm not sure why as they are extremely rugged pistols, and I know people who have fired LOTS of them through their guns with no apparent ill effects, but they do nonetheless. This is also true of the 10/22.
 
Just an FYI, Ruger does not recommend the use of hyper velocity ammo in the Mark series of pistols. I'm not sure why as they are extremely rugged pistols, but they do nonetheless.
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Yeah, I was aware of that. I don't know why either. The Mark II is built like a tank and I really can't imagine that you'd get that much extra pressure from a Stinger as to jeopardize the pistol. Just looking at the chamber reveals a very thick, solid firearm. We're talking .22's here. I wonder what Ruger's basis is?
 
Stingers have actually been around awhile. I shot my first squirrel with a stinger on my first hunt when I was finally allowed to hunt by myself. That was around 1990. I think they are still the best ammo you can get for a .22
 
Out of a rifle barrel, the stinger seems to fragment pretty violently and dump all of its energy, but penetration is limited as a result. I would go with the Velocitor instead. A full 40 grain bullet with a shallow hollowpoint which gives a more controlled expansion and deeper penetration, and still hums along at 1435 fps.

However, the Stingers seem to expand nicely out of longer pistol barrels (4-6 inches).

http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/22lr/cci22-32stgr-r2245.htm

Don't know if they would expand out of very short (2-3 inch) pistol barrels though.
 
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I'm guessing my 10/22 has a 16 inch barrel. I imagine the Stingers would fly out of that. If that carbine likes Stingers, I have to image it would be a great SD combo.

I think we get caught up on "the perfect rifle" for whatever given scenario. I certainly wouldn't want to go to war with any 22LR firearm. But if things broke down and I'm out looting, I imagine I stop instantly if hit with a .22LR round, or two or three. No real need for an AR or AK in that scenario.....corrceto?
 
these jokers were raping my plum tree. this is what Stingers out of a 10/22 did to them. not much good for squirrels unless you can take headshots.
 

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these jokers were raping my plum tree.
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Ahhh....I hate to see little squirrels get blasted. I love squirrels.

But, do you see the damage the Stinger round did? Imagine you're running around after a major disaster, hood over your face, re-bar in your hand, beating a 92 year old woman and thereafter intending to break into the nice house down the road with your 9 buddies. How fast would your ideas change if you unexpectedly got smacked in the chest with one of those rounds? Would you dig in a yell out, "we have to take that house!" Not me. I'm thinking that all one needs is a simple 10/22 with some high velocity ammo.
 
Examples of the solids (non HP) would be the CCI AR Tactical and Mini Mag HV. Both with 40gr non hollow point pills. The RN configuration will get better penetration on larger targets, which would be needed in the above scenario.

Better yet would be an actual AR with tons of ammo. But since we are looking at the 22lr, they'd be my recommendation. As far as the stingers, the case is longer compared to a "regular" 22LR round and has a tendency to have extraction and feeding issues in match chambers.
 
I would choose CCI Velocitor over CCI Stinger if I were forced to carry a .22 for self defense.
 
Yeah, I was aware of that. I don't know why either. The Mark II is built like a tank and I really can't imagine that you'd get that much extra pressure from a Stinger as to jeopardize the pistol. Just looking at the chamber reveals a very thick, solid firearm. We're talking .22's here. I wonder what Ruger's basis is?
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The stinger has a longer case than a normal .22 cartridge. In loose chambers, like the 10/22's, this isn't an issue. In tighter chambers, however, the extra-long case can cause problems.
 
My mom has nerve damage to her hand making her very recoil sensitive. She appropriated my S&W 317 for her CCW (I miss that thing it is lots of fun and I steal it back regularly for range trips) because it does not hurt her to shoot it and she likes revolvers.

Her carry ammo is CCI Stingers, they seem to work pretty well. I wish she could carry a more capable caliber, but I don't doubt her ability to put all eight of those little pills into some bad guy's skull at seven yards.
 
We don't do SHTF TEOTWAWKI on THR.
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I'm not picking on RC here....his advice is always well taken. But another poster pointed this out (NeuseRvrRat). I don't think we're talking SHTF. We deal in firearms here. We hunt and sport shoot. But a very practical and necessary firearm purpose is self defense. And unless we're being a bit dishonest, we all feel better about owning these instruments for that very reason.

I agree that we should not devolve into conversations about killing "zombies" or what to do after the end of the world. But we certainly can and should engage in conversation about the appropriate firearm/ammo in given REAL LIFE situations. Otherwise, we waste a very capable and practical tool here. I want to know the opinions of guys like NeuseRvrRat and RCModel...that's why I come here. I'm practically retarded anyway, and need lots of guidance.
 
I think that high velocity 22lr out of a rifle barrel is nothing to sneeze at. Plus you can stock up on several thousands of rounds for less than a couple hundred dollars. My .22 rifles are damn accurate too. I think a good .22 rifle along with a good shotgun would be a great combo to have for any situation.
 
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Stingers have actually been around awhile. I shot my first squirrel with a stinger on my first hunt when I was finally allowed to hunt by myself. That was around 1990. I think they are still the best ammo you can get for a .22
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Unless you require good accuracy. I get better groups with cheap bulk ammo than I do with Stingers in every 22 I've tested them in.
 
Just an FYI, Ruger does not recommend the use of hyper velocity ammo in the Mark series of pistols. I'm not sure why as they are extremely rugged pistols, and I know people who have fired LOTS of them through their guns with no apparent ill effects, but they do nonetheless. This is also true of the 10/22.
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I'm curious, what is considered hyper velocity? This is from the Mark II manual..
"The RUGER®
MARK II pistol is chambered only for the .22 caliber Long
Rifle cartridge, standard velocity or high velocity, manufactured to U.S. Industry
Standards. Do not attempt to load .22 Long, .22 Short, or any other type .22
caliber cartridge into the magazine or in the chamber of the pistol. Use of .22
shot shells is not recommended. See MALFUNCTION WARNING, p. 18"
 
There are MANY threads on whether or not it is a good idea to use a .22 defensively. Whether or not they are stingers, or it is a situation of civil unrest does nothing to change whether or not they are the right tool for the job.

And in what world are warning shots a good idea?
 
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