The New York State resident support group thread.

Midwest said:

Since this is a NY State specific thread. Have there been any legislation, challenges or lawsuits to get rid of the "Sullivan Law' in the 102+ years it has been in effect?

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Certainly there have been legal challenges, the most significant of the post Heller/McDonald challenges was Kachalsky v. Cacace, which dealt directly with the "good cause" requirement of NY state handgun licensing. The case had very compelling plaintiffs, was backed by SAF and argued by Alan Gura. The case lost in the 2nd District and was denied cert by SCOTUS.

NY has decided that unlike other freedoms such as speech and association, your right to effective personal protection in the form of a handgun is subject to approval by a person that can use purely arbitrary reasoning to determine if you can exercise your freedom. By denying cert, SCOTUS implictly endorsed the laws of NY. Too much is made of the Heller and McDonald decisions. While it is true that bans on the possession of all guns by all the people all the time has been found to be in opposition to the 2A, a scheme where a very few of the people have access to a limited selection of guns in a very small area has been found to be implicitly acceptable by SCOTUS.

"Too much is made of the Heller and McDonald decisions. While it is true that bans on the possession of all guns by all the people all the time has been found to be in opposition to the 2A, a scheme where a very few of the people have access to a limited selection of guns in a very small area has been found to be implicitly acceptable by SCOTUS."

Very good observation, and I think it is because there is one remaining piece of the puzzle left unsettled by SCOTUS, but it likely will be eventually. Presently, either Heller or McDonald can be selectively ignored to give a punitive ruling, by arguing that the 2nd applies only to militia arms (in non-AW or CCW cases) or that restrictions on the plaintiffs assault weapon (militia arm) are reasonable so long as he has access to common non-militia arms. We need a third IF statement to break the current legal Hobson's Choice (or 'Ouroboros' for a cooler-looking metaphor )

A ruling allowing people to 'defend themselves by whatever means they see best' would probably make finding a loophole a bit tougher. But remember that courts/judges love these little loopholes that let them rule 'justly' any way they want to, so they don't give them up intentionally . What we need is a commonized Assault Weapon with absolutely, positively no military utility whatsoever to force them to address the two statements simultaneously, with the only logical solution being 'everything is protected.' At the risk of troll-baiting, what gun do we think fills that role

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Kachalsky v. Cacace

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SCOTUS does not comment on why they turn a case down. There are other cases similar to Kachalsky v. Cacace that may reach SCOTUS, so it is possible that they are waiting for just the right case and decided this is not it.

Scooter22 said:

The King was here the other day and this came about. Hopefully something good comes from it.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index...._to_talk_about_the_ny_safe_act_in_albany.html

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Actually, that's somewhat encouraging, though I'd have been even more encouraged if he'd met with these people before the midnight passage of the "SAFE" Act.

Dolmar said:

Cuomo should go to a gun club and have a sit down with real people all over the state. Pretty convenient he gives a $100 mil to a place that opposes his will and then Falcone decides not to talk about gun rights when Falcone had him as a captive audience.

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Politicians never tire of telling you or your community how much money they're giving you.

On the other hand, they never mention that it's your money, not theirs, to begin with. Wouldn't be the first time money was tossed at a community to shut it up. Or see the accusations of the NJ governor threatening to withhold federal Sandy rebuild money to Hoboken unless the mayor rezones some land for a political contributor of his.

Most gun owners seem to worship LE and some guys that carry think they are covert agents of the govt so on the assembly floor Joe Lentol one of the sponsers of the SAFE act said state troopers had a lot to do with writing the bill and it is their bill so gun owners have politicians, some gun owners and LE against them. That is a formidable group

Nikita Kruschev said " Promises are like pie crusts -THEY ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN " way back in 196something !
Kruschev didn`t invent that concept, but AFIK he was the first one to state the concept they all live by!

Without taxes extracted from other states, boats using the Erie, etc, and the rest of NY, NYC would collapse in less than a year. Ticks CAN'T live without sucking blood.