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The "one shot stops" statistic is pretty much worthless from what I remember, since this data is a result of a study that hardly qualifies as "scientific". The rest is interesting, though, however, I've seen a bullet vs bone and gel test where most trusted bullets simply failed so maybe there...

Nope. The data is non-scientific or anecdotal. 1-shot stops statistics have nothing to do with real scientific study or proper statistical data. There is absolutely no proof that modern 158 or 180gr bullets are less effective than modern 125gr bullets in .357, actually, the evidence points to...

650$ conversion cost of GP-100 makes it a not-so-reasoable choice. Factory-made 10mm GP-100 on the other hand would be a v. interesting revolver, but it's not going to happen.

First of all - I think you should understand that different people have different needs and requirements. F.e. I require high expansion and deep penetration (relatively deep, so the bullet won't be stopped short by a minor bone, f.e. 16") - this can be achieved via v. high velocity 125gr bullet...

@336A It may have been "intended for" but it expanded more than almost all 125gr bullets, available while producing less flash and report and all of that with perfect penetration. I would call that a pretty damn good SD cartridge. Why would anyone need a heavier .357 Magnum bullet? To achieve...

Dear Deaf Smith, I know that there are defensive loadings all the way to 158gr, but above 130-140gr they usually aren't too modern or too effective. The best evidence to prove my point is the fact that 158gr gold dots/XTP bullets were pretty much outperformed (better expansion while still...

I know .40 is the shorter rounf, my point was, making a revolver that can only fire .40 makes little sense. I know 10mm can be loaded v. hot, underwood ammo f.e. makes 10mm ammunition that's even more powerfull. The point is - there's no real difference in power between 10mm and .357 Magnum...

Since when 10mm Auto is less powerfull than .357 Magnum? Also, f.e. in competition (at least in my country) you need more than .357 to make major, and 10mm is the largest bullet that allows 6-shot capacity in an L-frame sized revolver - and L-frame is also the largest revolver one can carry...

The "oldschool" remington 158gr sjhp actually is one of the best performers among modern rounds (see youtube tests), too bad it apparently is discontinued.

Well, there's a problem - tritium sights get dimmer and dimmer over time. After 10 years you're most likely going to lose a good part of the initial brightness. And replaicing tritium is neither cheap nor easy. Battery-powered sights on the other hand - they have 5-8 years battery life and on...

Indeed it's beautiful. Quite close to the 686+ Mountain Gun. Wish it had adjustable sights, though,

I'm really interested in an explanation: How the hell did they achieve this? People claim .357 Magnum is LOUD and 125gr bullets make it even louder, yet it seems this round is much quieter. Is it because they're using faster-burning powder? Another question - how good is penetration/expansion...

@moxie Gold Dots may be premium but if you take a look at tests, they frequently fail to expand, unless fired from a rifle. 158gr gold dot has v. high penetration and limited expansion, 180gr most likely won't expand at all when fired from a revolver - but I'm not sure cause I can't look at the...

@RealGun Are you sure it's the recoil and not muzzle rise you're referring to? Because taking some weight off the end of the barrel will surely increase muzzle rise, thus making follow-up shots slower but when it comes to recoil energy etc. it simply depends on the weight of the gun.

@RealGun I guess most people use .38 instead of .357 in. 686+ then beuse it weights just as much as half-lug gp100 match champion and MC has some steel shave off the cylinder too. Standard GP 100 is way more than "heavy enough". 2-3 oz. less won't make it light all of the sudden. :)

That model 25 is beautiful. Model 25 with cylinder cut for moonclips so it can fire .45 Auto is about as versatile as a revolver can get in a "normal" sized package.

@RealGun it's not my logic that is flawed. You just didn't really try to see my point. Any revolver over 33-34 oz. is "heavy enough" for comfortable .357 Magnum shooting and adding more weight is not really necessary. Yes, a bit more comfort, yes, a bit faster follow up shots, but also less...

My general issue with GP-100 is that it's simply overweight and oversized for what it offers, and that is - 6 shots of .357. S&W 686+ at least offers higher capacity in exchange for the added bulk and weight. GP-100's only real advantage (other than being easier to shoot due to being heavier) vs...

@Vern Humphrey: at the moment the bullet effectiveness is mostly proven via... online tests and anecdotal evidence because there's not enough statistical data to draw any conclusions anyway, especially after LEOs stopped using revolvers.. So even if heavy .357 SD load is released there's really...

Indeed it seems to be the same load. And it indeed looks like a v. interesting load for short barreled guns and HD. So it seems that 158gr bullets can perform nicely. And this means that with the additional momentum pushing the bullet we can get even more expansion while keeping the...