theotherwaldo
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Yep.
The NRA has been infiltrated and is in the process of being destroyed.
Is anyone surprised?
The NRA has been infiltrated and is in the process of being destroyed.
Is anyone surprised?
“A Wake-Up Letter To The NRA Board”
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Riomouse911
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Benefactor member here.
I am not happy with WLP, he needs to go and go now.
I hope things turn around, but they won’t with him still sucking on the NRA’s $$ teat.
Stay safe.
I am not happy with WLP, he needs to go and go now.
I hope things turn around, but they won’t with him still sucking on the NRA’s $$ teat.
Stay safe.
JEBruns
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Pretty striking that on a gun forum, nobody on this thread so far has defended the NRA leadership. It's hard to imagine them running such a great organization into the ground, but it's happening right before our eyes.
Necessary_Nutrient
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The NRA used to be a one issue organization and left general politics out of it's spiel.
Then, they decided to double down on conspiracy, conjecture about stupid items like UN blue hats taking over and various scare tactics that demonize other Americans. So, just as our politics has declined precipitously, the NRA decides to rubber stamp the worst of it and become just another propaganda arm of one party- forcing one to embrace the entire steaming package instead of focusing on Gun Rights.
Then, they decided to double down on conspiracy, conjecture about stupid items like UN blue hats taking over and various scare tactics that demonize other Americans. So, just as our politics has declined precipitously, the NRA decides to rubber stamp the worst of it and become just another propaganda arm of one party- forcing one to embrace the entire steaming package instead of focusing on Gun Rights.
AlexanderA
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The antigunners haven't gotten the memo that the NRA is in dire straits, due to greed and mismanagement. So, they keep painting the NRA as this ogre that is frustrating their plans. In a way, this serves a useful purpose for the pro-gun side. It means that the antigunners are distracted while other, more effective, pro-gun organizations go about their work unmolested.
upptick
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Given a compromised NRA that is not worthy of support, which alternative "gun rights" organization is the most effective, assuming that the judging criteria are (1) court actions to defend the 2d Amendment, (2) lobbying, and (3) firearms education?
I wonder how much of the NRA's financial support comes from the industry versus individual members. According to the NRA, they have many industry allies.
https://nraindustryally.nra.org/become-an-ally/amazing-brands/
https://nraindustryally.nra.org/become-an-ally/amazing-brands/
CapnMac
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Probably because their actions are so hard to defend.
It's germane to remember that there are two BoD for NRA. There is the annually-elected Board, who are largely ineffective for nearly always being "freshmen" members.
Then there is the "entrenched" board, which are in the thrall of the Executive Committee--the faceless, nameless Board over the Board. The Executive Committee is who actually votes for the Executive President. The EP--WLP--gets to nominate the EC who elect him. Surprise.
The Elected Board is presented the EC's choice for EP as a fait accompli; because they are so many in number, they are easily fractured, so no Elected Board has declined to rubber-stamp the EC's selection.
Like most incestuous/nepotisitic Beltway arrangements, there's a "lock" in the arrangement. If the EC dumps their EP, they are all out on the street trying to sell pencils. Ditto the reverse.
And, in some fairness, attacking the NRA does have further consequences. NYS has a requirement that range instructors have to have NRA instructor credentials. Which very complicated as the NY AG is busy trying to suspend all NRA activities in NYS. Range design and insurance are also keyed back to NRA, too.
For whatever it's worth, the NRA is still the "elephant in the room." Yes, there are plenty of other "Rights" organizations out there, and they are deserving and committed. And can be argued to be "better" (which gets complicate as anything or anyone who advances "our" cause is to be applauded and supported). The issue is that the next larges organizations out there is barely to 20% of the size of the NRA in numbers or dollars.
(There is a "dirty little secret" in the political world--"our" side in RKBA is typically outspent over 10:1 in political dollars, but keeps losing.)
Buzznrose
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I’m soon to be a “former member”. I used to carry 5 memberships for myself and family. Everyone was paid up several years in advance…I was paid up almost 10 years in advance. I shut off the money and renewals years ago…just my membership left and it runs out in 2023/2024 sometime…
I’m a big believer in www.SAF.org these days.
I’m a big believer in www.SAF.org these days.
mljdeckard
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You guys holding out until WLP is gone might be right. However,
I went many years being too broke to renew. I felt dirty riding on the successes of pro-gun organizations while not joining them. Now I am in a life position where the membership fee is no big deal. I feel like some repentance is due.
There is also the notion, that this movement is bigger than one person. Just like any political party, who is attached to a single personality (even wrongfully so,) the party and the agenda needs to out-live that temporary crisis. When WLP is gone, there still need to be some stickers on trucks so that the up and coming kids still know that the NRA is a thing. So yes, I want him gone, but I also want the NRA to still be a significant influence when it happens. So I'm staying. (How the heck old is he? He can't stay in there forever.)
I went many years being too broke to renew. I felt dirty riding on the successes of pro-gun organizations while not joining them. Now I am in a life position where the membership fee is no big deal. I feel like some repentance is due.
There is also the notion, that this movement is bigger than one person. Just like any political party, who is attached to a single personality (even wrongfully so,) the party and the agenda needs to out-live that temporary crisis. When WLP is gone, there still need to be some stickers on trucks so that the up and coming kids still know that the NRA is a thing. So yes, I want him gone, but I also want the NRA to still be a significant influence when it happens. So I'm staying. (How the heck old is he? He can't stay in there forever.)
Buzznrose
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WLP is not going anywhere. Right now, he and the board are bleeding the organization out with legal fees to the tune of millions of $$$$. Send your 2A money to an organization that isn’t corrupt or you’re kinda supporting the problem.
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TTv2
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I've seen this said elsewhere and I do agree, that is the ONLY beneficial aspect the NRA offers thru it existing, albeit an unintentional one.
However, that dynamic does not mean they have earned or deserve your money or anyone's money.
TTv2
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At the national level the only one I have a level of trust with is GOA, but after the NRA I keep a wary eye on them. I'm sure there are other groups, it's good to have some diversity in case GOA ever turns into Wayne's World like the NRA has, but I don't know enough about them and I don't think they have as much weight to them like GOA does.
Where more of your money should be donated is at the state level where 2A organizations are able to lobby state legislatures more easily. Notice that all the gun laws are being passed at the state level? There's a reason for that and it's Bloomberg's money funding these efforts. If you live in a blue state there's no point, Bloomberg has bought off those legislatures, but purple states like PA, Michigan donating to state orgs will go a long way and in red states those state organizations have caused permitless carry to explode over the past 5 years.
Up next is to have those red states pass a law that nullifies certain provisions of the NFA.
unspellable
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I'm a patron member. Not all the money goes into \Wayne's pocket. Every time I donate a buck they spend 97 cents trying to get another buck out of me.
As for the anti-gun crowd, they need a boogeyman, they wouldn't want the NRA to go away.
As for the anti-gun crowd, they need a boogeyman, they wouldn't want the NRA to go away.
AlexanderA
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And that concept plays right into the hands of the antigunners. According to them, their gun control plans are being stymied by this evil conspiracy of the gun industry and the NRA, working against the desires of the public at large. This overlooks the rank-and-file gun owners, who are a significant part of the general public.
N555
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Yeah its sad, disgusting, cringe, disappointment. But the nra has became gun grabber fly paper, they very rarely even mention the other pro-2A organizations.
They need money to keep doing their stupid cringe worthy attention grabbing antics.
It’s because a lot of times, on forums, anyone defending the NRA gets dogpiled on. (Note I left the word “leadership” off the end of the quote).
Personally, if the antis are so rabidly against it, I’ll keep supporting it just because it’s like a poke in their eye. Is WLP corrupt? I guess. I don’t follow the inner workings enough to really care. I’ve wasted way more money on corrupt mandatory union dues that support anti 2A causes, than I have on the NRA. But, at least the NRA is a pro 2A organization in a sea of anti gun wanna be oppressors. So, if anything, just to spite the antis, I’ll support it.
"Amicus meus, inimicus inimici mei"
Old Dog
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The dude spent OVER 25K of the NRA's money on suits in less than a year. Then there's his Caribbean yachting vacations..
Sorry, there's NO excuse for that crap.
I didn't pay dues for that.
Monac
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I find this confusing. Why is it a secret that the pro-gun side is outspent 10:1? Wouidn't this be a major point for the NRA to trumpet during their fund raising efforts? Could I ask where you found this out?
The second thing is the "but" in that sentence. You say "but" that way when something UNexpected happens. "The Confederates were heavily outnumbered at Fredericksburg but won anyway". Why would you say the pro-gun side is heavily outspent but keeps losing? Isn't that just what you would expect? I thought you were going to say that they were heavily outspent but kept winning, which would be more accurate, in my opinion. That is, if they really are outspent 10:1.
TTv2
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If you want to remain ignorant to reality then you should accept being "dogpiled" on for that.
You "guess" that WLP is corrupt? What keeps you from making a firmer statement than that? Is that how you stomach sending the NRA a check, by hoping that Wayne isn't using the money you give him for new suits, the limousine, and penthouse apartments for his college age girlfriends?
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