“Be real easy to rob you folks…”

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Larry Ashcraft said:
Cosmo, you need to spend more time reading Steve's posts. Believe me, he doesn't write anything in a hurry. There is more in between his sentences than what you read.

Steve, Good Show. I don't think anybody here could have done it better.
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I spent a lot of time reading it, but I have many questions which would best be answered by turning it into a more detailed account with proper sentence structure. I'm not being critical, I'd just like to understand what happened in detail without having to fill in subjects verbs and objects myself. I still don't even know what the CCW piece was. I'm just asking that SM write a longer account with more details once he's calmed down. There's a lot to be learned here, but stream-of-consciousness writing isn't the best way to learn it.
 
I still don't even know what the CCW piece was or where any of this took place
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What kind of gun sm was carrying wasn't important, IMHO.

As for the place, "dollar store" in a not-so-nice part of town is the impression I got.

sm is like the James Joyce of THR ;)
 
Is it classified information or something? Of COURSE the kind of firearm he used is important to know. It's a key detail. Did the suspects see it? Was he pointing it at them? How was he addressing the second suspect while covering the first? How did he avoid covering the clerk? I find it hard to tell.
 
Good ????ing job.

You reacted calmly, when things where seconds away from potentially getting very loud. You noted and properly utlized: awareness, cover, back stops and verbalized. I'm curious what your training has consisted to up until now?

Chris
 
P95Carry said:
Far be it for me to answer for SM - but I have a feeling part of an answer he might give is ''Life's college of hard knocks''!!
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Exeperince is always the best teacher. He solved a complex senario as close to perfectly as possible. I was just curious if he regularly trained, or if he was born ready. Either way, he should get a few more attaboys.
 
first of all im glad you, and everyone else is safe.

secondly I wish I could shake your hand sir...you are very very brave.

Chad
 
Actually, I'm kinda glad he

Cosmoline said:
Is it classified information or something? Of COURSE the kind of firearm he used is important to know. It's a key detail. Did the suspects see it? Was he pointing it at them? How was he addressing the second suspect while covering the first? How did he avoid covering the clerk? I find it hard to tell.
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omitted the usual paragraph-long description of his weapon, holster, ammo, and other acoutrements that too often accompanies self-defense accounts. You know, the one that reads "My strong-hand gravitated toward my BigBang Custom with the custom goncalo-alves grips by Soros Grips and tritium Stupendous Nite-Sites by Tinky-Winky. I silently drew the weapon from the custom Schumer IWB chicken-skin holster where it rides in the 4 o'clock position on a custom Feinstein Concealment Belt. It's custom Boxer Magazines were stoked with 8 rounds of 230 grain Nightstalker JHPs and my Blissninny mag carriers held two more magazines at the ready, just over my left hip at the 9 o'clock. My thumb snicked off the Kustom Kombat safety and my finger poised just outside the trigger-guard, a fraction of an inch from sliding over the custom Razzle-Dazzle combat trigger and delivering a precise 2.43632 lb stroke to unleash the 230 grains of righteous hell parked at the South end of my custom Lehd Peip hand-lapped barrel."

His keen perception of his surroundings and his level-headed tactics where what was important about his post. I don't care what he carries and I'll bet the checkout girl doesn't care, either.;)

Nice job, Steve.
 
It's about mindset....

I don't think the details of what kind of gun SM was carrying or how he was carrying it are relevant here. I'm certain the point he was making was about the use of your most powerful weapon, your mind.

We all love to get all the little nitnoid details of an incident and analyze it to death. But we often get so wrapped up worrying about what kind of handgun, revolver or automatic, major or minor caliber, kydex or leather holster, hollowpoint or ball ammunition, that we overlook the real lesson.

All of those little nitnoid details are meaningless unless you have the situational awareness to recognize the threat in time to act, and the fortitude to act.

The most powerful handgun in the world, that will blow your head clean off, loaded with the most devastating ammunition that is so powerful even a near hit is instantly fatal, carried in the kewlest concealment rig that an experienced correctional officer couldn't find with less then a strip search, yet allowed instant presentation of the weapon won't do you a bit of good when you're lying on the floor bleeding out because you never saw it coming.....

Jeff
 
thebigc said:
good job i had a similar experince last evening that was a bit of an eye opener since my town is usualy quiet.

i came really close to getting robbed last night me and a friend were sitting on a bench and one african american fellow with 3 freinds comes up and starts asking us for drugs. so we tell them we dont have any they ask for money we walk away and go in a store. we come out and begin to walk up the hill two of the guys go around and go in front of us and block the sidewalk and start hassleing my freind for change the third one is behind us i had known it seemed like a set up the first time they talked to us so i had taken my fixed blade out of my sheath and had it in my pocket with my hand on it. the first guy had his hand in his right jacket pocket as he was talking so my freind finnaly gives him a dollar he had in his pocket then is like here you go man drink up and made him drink about half a bottle of some kind of mixed drink. then he tries to get me to drink some of it i say no way he starts to get feisty and i say get out of my way before i have to make you the one on the left starts reaching in his pocket and i begin to pull out my knife as soon as they get a glimpse of it they immediatly cross the street and we hastily make our retreat home. i really with i could of been carrying my 1911 but i couldent becasue im 16.my i was a beliver in ccw before but at least i was lightly prepared with my knife i still need to pick up some oc though.
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:uhoh:
 
All the good people went home safe, that is what matters most.

The not so good people went home too, not always what we want, but it makes it better too for you. You do not have an inquest, or a DA or ambulance chaser breathing down your neck.



good job.
 
Lemme see. Does this belong in the 'blame Steve' thread? :p

Naw, this one's a cut above. Nice job, Steve, both handling the situation, the willingness to post it here, and the aplumb with which you described it in a story form that kept me reading.

Overall, well-written. To appease Cosmo et al, I might suggest editing for a couple of typos here or there that made me stop momentarily to seek clarity. But overall, I followed your story well.

Speaking for myself, as a writer, often when we reread things a few days later, in a cooler frame of mind, after the adrenaline flow decelerates, we can perceive minor points that can be made more clear.

But this story, along with a couple of other recent threads, is why - even in America, which is reportedly a 'safe' nation where LEO's & 911 take care of us - CCW is a valued privilage.

I plan on sharing your story with a couple of fence sitters I know.

Thanks again.

Nem
 
A lot to be thankful for this holiday season.

If you need a time and place to "process" this further, a place of
worship and a long talk with God is a good way to start. It got
me through Iraq.
 
At my store we haven't been robbed yet, but I don't expect that to last. One time 2 shifty looking guys came in. Didn't say a word just walked strait to the back of the store & walked out like they was casing the joint. My dad used to be a bondsman & security guard, said that we need to be careful with folks like them. We are also located next to a trailer park where some jerks live. I can't get a CCW until I'm 21 in my state so I'm just gonna get a Mossberg 500 for our shop when I turn 18 in 2 months. Here's hoping our luck holds out at least that long.
 
Wow, who cares what type of gun he used, or how he was carring et all...

Gear is the absolutly least important aspect of a situation like this. Instead one must have the mindset and tactical skills to utilize your gear to solve the problem. Which he did, perfectly I might add.

Chris
 
I actually started to sweat while reading this....good freaking job.We need more people like you and the your 2 "back up guys".
While I hope I'm never in this kind of situation..if I am I hope I act as cool headed as you.:cool:
 
crofrog said:
Wow, who cares what type of gun he used, or how he was carring et all...

Gear is the absolutly least important aspect of a situation like this. Instead one must have the mindset and tactical skills to utilize your gear to solve the problem. Which he did, perfectly I might add.
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I don't need to read a deliberately "gripping" account in a faux-Kerouac style. The facts alone are gripping. Just tell it to me in plain English with proper sentences and as many details as possible. This is the strategies and tactics forum. It is not a forum devoted to gripping tales of encounters. Actually having to draw a concealed carry piece is a pretty rare thing. It's even more unusual to do it in a grocery store. So yes I would like to have as many details about the event as possible. Otherwise how can any of us learn from the experience?

How do you know if he used his gear properly if you don't even know what the gear was? Nothing against ripping yarns and back patting, but I think a second, more detailed account written in plain English would be useful. Maybe in a different thread.
 
Thank you for the additional details. I don't need to know any private details of your life, I'm just trying to flesh out as much as possible about your encounter. If we have enough of these encounters carefully recorded here it may be possible to find patterns both good and bad. Your experience appears to have been a "positive" one, to the extent any such experience can be positive. You obviously knew what you were doing. Hence my desire to find out as much detail as possible.

I will share during the incident, I have no doubt I could have hit what I was focused on shooting - a particular spot on his pants, a tad below mid thigh. I can even draw the darn thing.

Second button on the shirt of the other one, I would owned that button.
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So you did aim at them? How much of your body was exposed? Had you made up your mind who to shoot first?

Aiming at the second button on the shirt sounds like a good idea, but why aim a tad below the mid thigh?

Also, what was your piece on that day and were you carrying it IWB? I take it you had no problems drawing it, but that in itself is useful information. Whatever piece and carry method you used apparently worked, so I'd like to know.
 
Cos,

This might be where a rewrite could help.

Read the part about backstops again. (window, low "brick" wall, shopping carts) He deliberately decided to go for a lower extremity to reduce the risk the round would go through a window into the street on a miss or penetration.

I didn't get the impression he ever aimed in, just at one point drew while observing. But I've only read it once at this point.
 
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