04 Murder statistics

[Kobun]

In 2004 there was 31 murders in Norway

• 10 commited with knifes
• 9 with firearms
• 5 were strangled
• 4 killed with blunt force
• 1 unknown

There was one double homicide.
None of the shootings were commited with shotguns or home-guard military rifles, which has been the norm the last years.

The 2003 number was 43 murders.

Unfortunately the statistics does not show the number of murders commited by native Norwegians and by imigrants/refugees.

 

[landon74]

How do the numbers breakdown? What was the murder rate per 100,000 of population? And how about suicides per 100,000?

 

[mr hanky]

If you wanted to compare the Norway numbers to a local county/city number - where would you be able to find that info online?

Also, I am not too familiar with Norway, how are gun restrictions there?

thanks

 

[Kobun]

That is 31 per 4.6 million, something like 0.67 murders per 100,000

Not sure about suicides.

 

[landon74]

That's pretty small, I didn't have any idea about the population of Norway.

 

[Kobun]

CIA Factbook about Norway

 

[Warbow]

County here (Dallas County, with about 2.3 million in population).

 

[Stand_Watie]

That's a pretty low homicide rate. I believe Norway has one of the highest european gun ownership rates. The figures I see seem to vary all over the place, but Norway, Finland and Switzerland are always at the top.

I imagine their carry laws are abysmal like all of Europe.

 

[c_yeager]

I recall reading somewhere that Norway had pretty suprising suicide numbers. Does anyone remember that?

 

[Iain]

C Yeager,

Could be wrong, but I think that is one of those 'commonly believed to be true yet isn't quite' things. People always say that the highest suicide rate in the world is one of the Scandanavian countries. http://www.aneki.com/suicide.html suggests that isn't the case. Don't know if it is an authorative source though, especially as it doesn't give the year or the source of its figures.

 

[Stand_Watie]

I recall reading somewhere that Norway had pretty suprising suicide numbers. Does anyone remember that?

Here's a couple of sources (a little dated) that put it in the 13 per capita range.


http://www.mcdl.org/Stats/gnpsuicide.htm

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html

 

[warth0g]

Why is the discussion drifting towards suicides?

We can not carry a gun for self defence in Norway. If you have very special needs for it you may be allowed. but the chance to get a permit equals zero.

The point is as I see it is that even if we do have a lot of guns around here, they are not beeing used in homecides.
If the politicians look at the statisics, it is no reason to make it harder to own a gun, but still they do make it more and more difficult.

warth0g

 

[DigMe]

That's really incredible. How does Norway have such low numbers?

brad cook

 

[bigjim]

How do they have such low numbers?

easy .... Everybody looks the same, speaks the same language, pulls in the same direction. They are if not down right affluent, at least meeting the basic needs of each citizen. Poverty while not zero is GREATLY reduced as compared to many other nations.

Citizens of Norway are educated, this gives them as individuals, and as a country many options to reduce social stresses.

Here in the US we have this dirty dark little underbelly called diversity. It looks great on paper but in reality its kicking our ass.

 

[Kobun]

Oh well...

Guess we had this years first murder today.
Pregnant woman was stabbed to death.
Surprise surprise, perpetrator boyfriend was somalian.

(Why is it that every time there is some kind of murder, I think to myself: "Probably a somalian/pakistani/yugoslavian." And I'm right 90% of the time!)

 

[bigjim]

Koburn,

I just don't know what to say.....

 

[jefnvk]

Why is the discussion drifting towards suicides?

Probably because when firearm deaths are calculated in America, they include usually include suicide, and that tends to really skew the data (I've seen some studies where suicides counted well over half of the deaths).

I hit state level. 610 in the state in 2003, but of course over half were Detroit (366). Nothing in the city, and IIRC, nothing in the county.

 

[DigMe]

Probably because when firearm deaths are calculated in America, they include usually include suicide, and that tends to really skew the data (I've seen some studies where suicides counted well over half of the deaths).

I know you really weren't replying to me but my question was addressing solely the number of murders.

I'm not talking about skewing gun aspects...I'm talking about the really low number of murders in general. For instance, America had 5.7 murders in America in 2003. That's over 5 times the number that is being reported above for Norway. We all know this has nothing to do with guns, I was just surprised at such a low number of overall murders. I think BigJim probably hit the nail on the head and I was thinking something along those lines.

brad cook

PS - I noticed on the FBI crime data that it reports not just "Murder" but "Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter." I'm sure that probably raises the number some but I think the sheer murder rate is probably still way higher than .67 per 100,000.

 

[Brett Bellmore]

"Here in the US we have this dirty dark little underbelly called diversity. It looks great on paper but in reality its kicking our ass."

It's not PC to notice it, but that is the elephant in the room; You look at just about any place that has a really low crime rate, and it's likely to have a homogeneous population. Mixing cultures might make a society more interesting in many respects, but it does create a lot of friction.

It might be noted, too, that studies have shown that violence crime is inversely related to the outdoor temperature... Not a lot of muggings happening in the middle of blizzards, I guess.

 

[TechBrute]

Here in the US we have this dirty dark little underbelly called diversity. It looks great on paper but in reality its kicking our ass.

Echos of JC.

(Jeff Cooper, not Jesus Christ)

 

[bigjim]

Wow.....I just got lumped in with Jeff Cooper. I bet the first man to set foot on the moon, gazed back at Mother Earth a billion souls looking back at him in envy, felt a lot like I do right now.