10-22 Takedown vs standard?

[351 WINCHESTER]

WINCHESTER, I was recently in the same boat as you. Not only had I not owned a 10/22 but I had essentially refused to own one due to experiences I have had with them and the fact that everyone and their dog owns one. Then I came across one of these at the LGS. https://ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/specSheets/31101.html

It is an exclusive from one of the distributors. It includes the Magpul X22 Backpacker stock which allows you to attach the detached forend and barrel to the buttstock for storage and it includes a total of 4 magazines, 3 of which can be conveniently carried in the buttstock or you can leave a couple out and store a box of 50 rounds in there. It also has storage in the pistol grip. You can always buy a takedown 10/22 and then buy the stock separately but then you don't get the 4 extra mags and you don't get the shorter 16.4 inch barrel that these exclusives have.

All that being said, It has not been a reliable shooter. I have seldom made it through a full mag without a stoppage of some sort. I did however nail two grouse with the thing one day. One head shot each at about 25 yards with open sights and so far it seems to be reliable with some cheap Remington stuff, the same stuff I shot the grouse with.

One last thing, there is also a mount that you can get from Magpul that replaces the mounting block for the forend and then you can mount a red dot on it or scout scope. I believe the gun comes with rings and mount for a regular mounting position.

What ammo gave you the problems?

 

[pblanc]

I own three Ruger 10/22s in various configurations, none of which are take-down models. I have not owned a take-down. But I have read quite a few posts from owners who have complained about their accuracy.

No doubt, in some instances the inaccuracy might have been due to insufficient barrel nut tightness. But here is some accuracy data from the book "Customize the Ruger 10/22, 2nd Edition" but James and Kathleen House. They tested many different models of the Ruger 10/22 firing five 5 round groups at 50 yards with a variety of ammunition. The take-down model they tested had the 18.5" stainless barrel rather than the 16.62" long blued barrel. With the take-down model they tested barrel nut tightness with each new type of ammunition tested, so we can presumably eliminate that issue as a cause for poor accuracy. They also tested the same take-down model mounted in a Hogue OverMolded stock with a KID trigger.

In either configuration, the accuracy of the take-down model was the worst for any of the Ruger 10/22 models tested. As a comparison, the standard carbine model with 16.5" blued barrel shot 5 round groups at 50 yards with an extreme dispersion of 1.31" averaged for the 16 different ammo types tested. For the take-down model in the stock configuration, that average was 2.31". With the Hogue stock and KID trigger, accuracy for the TD model was improved somewhat with an average 5 round group size of 2.08".

One ammunition type that was shot with the stock carbine and the TD was CCI Standard Velocity which is a non-match ammunition that a lot of 10/22 owners favor for accuracy, consistency, and reliability (although not typically as accurate as match ammo). With the stock carbine 16.5" blued barrel the average for the 5 groups at 50 yards was 0.88". For the take-down model with stainless barrel in the stock configuration, average group size with the same ammo was 2.36". With the Hogue stock and KID trigger average group size for the TD model with CCI SV was 1.18".

Granted, this was only one barrel tested for the take-down model, and for some the difference in observed accuracy might not be significant. The take-down model does make barrel and chamber cleaning very easy as was said. But I would not personally recommend the take-down model unless you really need the portability and ability to conceal the rifle.

 

[helitack32f1]

What ammo gave you the problems?

Pretty much everything I have tried. Worst was the Winchester Wildcat but that doesn’t work well in anything I have. Most of what I have shot out of it was in a bulk pack, whether it was Federal, Winchester etc. I can’t remember if I shot any CCI out of it though. I found it quite irritating since I believe the instruction book says it can shoot just about anything.

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

Pretty much everything I have tried. Worst was the Winchester Wildcat but that doesn’t work well in anything I have. Most of what I have shot out of it was in a bulk pack, whether it was Federal, Winchester etc. I can’t remember if I shot any CCI out of it though. I found it quite irritating since I believe the instruction book says it can shoot just about anything.

I have had more problems with Winchester .22 ammo than all others combined. Seems their bullets are just too big. You would think they would fix such an obvious problems, but they don't care as far as I'm concerned.

 

[LiveLife]

"Customize the Ruger 10/22, 2nd Edition" but James and Kathleen House ... accuracy of the take-down model was the worst for any of the Ruger 10/22 models tested. As a comparison, the standard carbine model with 16.5" blued barrel shot 5 round groups at 50 yards with an extreme dispersion of 1.31" averaged for the 16 different ammo types tested. For the take-down model in the stock configuration, that average was 2.31".

CCI Standard Velocity ... average for the 5 groups at 50 yards was 0.88". For the take-down model with stainless barrel in the stock configuration, average group size with the same ammo was 2.36".

The book finding correlates with my "real world" stock 10/22 Collector #3 18.5" thread findings with my Take Down 18.5" producing slightly larger than 1.5" 10 shot 50 yard group and Collector #3 18.5" producing slightly larger than 1.0" to sub 1" 10 shot 50 yard groups - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/10-22-takedown-vs-standard.863145/#post-11381683

I just ordered Thompson Center TCR22 with MagPul stock so stay tuned for another "real world" ammo comparison thread.

What ammo gave you the problems?

Worst was the Winchester Wildcat but that doesn’t work well in anything I have. Most of what I have shot out of it was in a bulk pack, whether it was Federal, Winchester etc. I can’t remember if I shot any CCI

I have tested over 20 ammunition brands/types in my Take Down and Collector #3 along with friend's standard 10/22 and several 16"/18"/20" ARs with CMMG 22LR bolt conversions (over 10,000 rounds) and current production lots purchased within the past 2 years all have fired WITHOUT ANY MISFIRES with the exception of Winchester 40 gr CPRN M22 (I get several misfires in each 500 round box).

As to accuracy, CCI SV and CCI Blazer (40 gr boxed, not 500 round bulk) along with Aguila 40 gr Lead RN continue to produce consistently smallest one hole 10 round groups at 25 yards and smallest 50 yard groups. (While Federal Auto Match and Remington Thunderbolt do produce small groups, but not consistently - see below target groups)

Take Down 18.5" produced this smallest 1.5" 10 shot group at 50 yards with barrel ring tightened as much as I could to the point where I just barely could rotate the barrel to lock into place.

But 18.5" Collector #3 with V-block shim and electrical tape around rear of receiver produced these 1" and sub 1" 10 shot groups at 50 yards - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lector-3-break-in.859106/page-2#post-11351163

Notice the consistency of group size with Aguila 40 gr CPRN (And if you combine the two 5 shot groups at the bottom, you get comparable 1" group as two 10 shot groups on top of target)

I was really trying to squeeze out the smallest Aguila groups at the end of the shooting session but the tight groups opened up with flyers which may express the extend of overall group size (Of course, stopping at 5 shot groups would have resulted in much smaller groups and why I shoot 10 round groups now).

And depending on the handful of rounds you grab from the box, 10/22 CAN PRODUCE sub 1" groups at 50 yards as demonstrated by groups on bottom right (The flyer for Thunderbolt group on bottom right matches the flyer on bottom left ... And the flyer to top left I believe belongs to Thunderbolt group also ... oh well, at least every round went bang. ) With close to 3000 rounds shot with the Collector, I don't think such flyers are due to trigger or the shooter

 

[helitack32f1]

Thank you for the excellent info LiveLife! I haven’t really shot my TD for accuracy but at least with two shots it was minute-of-grouse-head at 25 yards. As for all the malfunctions I have, that just seems to be my luck. If I buy something known to be reliable and perfect for others, it will inevitably fail for me. That is why I tempt fate by buying things like Kel-Tecs and Glock 44s. Hopefully they will work well for me! (The Kel-Tec didn’t).