1000 yard steel fun on a budget - what rifle/cal combo?

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My son started long range games with his buddies, and I'd like to join them once in a while, my question is what rifle and what caliber, if I keep this on a tight budget? My local dealer sells match ammo hornady 6.5 creedmore 120 or 147 gr and in .308 178 gr.

Rifle choices they have scoped and lower cost are Rem 783, Savage Axis II XP, Howa Hogue .308, Savage Trophy Hunter XP, Ruger Predator, ranging in cost $360 to $680 in that order. All have 3-9x except the Ruger has a Vortex 4-12x.

Steel targets vary in size 10-20" and are at 1000 yds. Suggestions?
 
The Savage Axis is probably the best value there. Savages are no frill shooters. You may eventually wish to upgrade the scope. The Ruger already has pretty good glass on it, take that into consideration. The .308 round will get you out there. The 6.5 with 140-147 grains will do it a tad more efficiently in the wind. I would also not overlook a 30-06 caliber bolt action with 168 or 175 gr match loadings.
 
Whatever you get, for gawds sake get a 6.5 Creedmoor, and help contribute to the stability of the Earth's axis!!!!! And get the Ruger with 4-12x scope cuz those 3-9x scopes ain't gonna cut it!

Did I mention to get the 6.5 Screamoor!? It's a corker @ 1000 yards! Totally DESTROYS rounds like the .270, .260 and .308 that most folks have been STRUGGLING with for decades!
 
Whatever you get, for gawds sake get a 6.5 Creedmoor, and help contribute to the stability of the Earth's axis!!!!! And get the Ruger with 4-12x scope cuz those 3-9x scopes ain't gonna cut it!

Did I mention to get the 6.5 Screamoor!? It's a corker @ 1000 yards! Totally DESTROYS rounds like the .270, .260 and .308 that most folks have been STRUGGLING with for decades!

Destroys the .260? They are practically the same across the board.
 
buy a 1000 yard optic, then spend what's left on the rifle
The Creedmores in 6 and 6.5 are not the only cartridges capable of firing heavy-for-caliber VLD bullets, but there does seem to be a plentiful supply of them in the market
.224 Valkyrie looks like a legit alternative at low cost, esp. if the target is just for plinking
There's also numerous others that probably won't be cheaper: 6.5 Grendel, the Normas, Lapuas etc. etc.

If you shorten up the range, there are far more cheap bullets in .224 and .243 (6mm). So if you're shooting 1000 yards or more, there maybe isn't much difference between 6.5 Creedmore and 6mm Creedmore or .224 Valkyrie, but if you want to shoot at 200 yards, the 6.5 is going to cost a lot more than what the smaller calibers can do it for.
 
The only advantage that the creedmoor cartridges have going for them is the rifles chambered for them have appropriately rifled barrels for the vld style heavy bullets. That said, the cost to get into a moderate recoil rifle for long range drives lots of people to the creedmoor line. I would personally go with a ruger American predator, or a Savage rifle after selecting the optic I wanted to use.
 
The Howa is probably the slickest gun on the list. They usually come with crappy Niko Sterling scopes, though. I'd go with the Ruger if you're set on the package, otherwise I'd grab a Howa (just the gun) & save a couple extra bucks for a 4-12 Leupold VX-Freedom (or better still, another few $ & a 4.5-14 VX3i).
 
Going to heavily depend on what and where you are calling "budget."

.308 is going to be the cheapest ammo you can (barely) get out to 1K. Will it be great? No. But cheap, yes.
It could be argued that .30-06 might be an alternative, but, at that point, so is 8mauser and 7.62x54R.
6.5 is probably the way to go, and the way the current wind blows is the creedmore.

As noted above, the glass for 1K, "cheap" is probably starting in around $500. (And don't forget, you're going to need spotting ability out that far, too.)

Everything else is just a vehicle for the above.
 
it may be fair to say different people take different approaches and have different views of shooting, gear, capabilities, use cases, etc.

to keep this response reasonably short, i would like to say that if you are truly only going to shoot 10-20" targets at 1000 yards, then your requirements are going to be quite different than people who might want to shoot different ranges, unknown distances, different size targets, both shooting larger targets faster, and shooting smaller more challenging targets. (both of which are more fun) adding time, positions other than prone, and practical applications (2A scenarios) all change the requirements dramatically.

as far as the scope is concerned, I can't tell you how annoying it is for people to say "what scope for x yards?" when distance has almost nothing to do with it. distance does not dictate your choice of knobs, focal planes, magnification range, reticles, glass, parallax adjustment, illumination, durability and water resistance, etc. for example, high power shooters have shot 1000 yards with iron sights for longer than i've been alive. as long as it holds zero, just about any scope will do. and a $3000 scope isn't really going to buy you any points over a $500 scope. you don't need to distinguish the targets beyond seeing a giant number board, etc. that is definitely not the case in the PRS, or practical shooting.

as far as the cartridge is concerned, 22 is a suboptimal choice unless you have other issues. a 6mm would be a much better choice.
hot rodding a 22 may get you on the target at 1000 yards, but it may damage steel at closer ranges, and you'll have more difficulty seeing trace and impacts, both hits on steel which disturbs the paint much less than larger calibers, and misses which kick up a lot less dirt.
6.5CM is a better choice than 260rem.

i can't speak to the rifles you've mentioned other than to say the most important thing will be to find a stock you can comfortably shoot from whatever position your friends normally shoot (bench or prone) and that won't result in fatigue to your neck, etc. the heavier the better.

I’ll also say you should ask yourself how much more fun hitting targets is than missing them. If you expect Hitting that target 1 out of every 4 tries is going to be a lot of fun for you than sure a 308 will be fine.
And also consider how many rounds you shoot per range trip and how many range trips per year. Putting $2 through the barrel every time you pull the trigger adds up faster than you might think. Even if you go to the range once a month you will probably spend twice as much on ammo as on the guns you’ve mentioned just in the first year. Long range is an expensive sport and missing a lot just isn’t that fun. If you’re going to do it, do it right.
 
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Not getting into telling you what to get, I will tell you that I have this scope on a Remington sps tactical 700 in 308 and I shoot it at 1000 yds with no problems on CALM days. I will say you have to work harder to get a 308 to shoot 1000 than other calibers. With you budget you will probably be using a 1” scope meaning limited adjustment, so be sure to get a 20 Moa base. See link to scope below:
https://www.tacticalwholesalers.com...MI3uHa1Ii03AIVlrjACh1S1A2ZEAQYAiABEgLtivD_BwE
 
6.5 Creedmoor is your cartridge. I don't own one. I shoot .308, .260 and .243AI, and have a .260AI waiting to be broken in. But I'd still recommend the 6.5 Creedmoor as the best budget entry round for 1,000 yards. I don't think .308 will be much cheaper, as you'll need a 175 grain bullet from a 26-inch barrel to really make it sing, and the inexpensive .308 ammo is generally loaded with a 150-168 grain bullet. The 6.5 CM will get there much more easily, and with less recoil.

As for rifle, I'd probably go with a Ruger American Predator. I would not buy a packaged scope; rather, I'd save up for better glass with a 30mm tube. And down the road a bit, I'd plan to replace the stock and the trigger, but you don't need to do that immediately.

I don't know what your budget is, but I'd give serious consideration to a Bergara B-14 HMR in .6.5 CM. Buy once, cry once.
 
I've done a little 1,000 yd work with my .243. (Paper only; Rem 700.) I've pretty much already decided when this barrel goes (I'm probably half way through its life) I'm going to convert it to 6.5 CM.

The 6.5 CM seems like a great choice for that distance.

OR
 
thanks guys. If I buy rifle and glass separately, then the TC Compass is one more choice available. The reason I started asking about .308 and 6.5C is those are the only 2 calibers I can readily obtain MATCH ammo for. There IS premium ammo available for other calibers, just not match grade type. The Howa looks nice, so does the Predator. So I get that I would struggle less to be on target using 6.5C than .308, and I get that skipping the combo bargains would let me choose the optic. I do think the fit of the stock is pretty high up on my list of needs and none of these have I been able to snuggle up to in prone and see what feels best. I'll keep shopping and picking up advice as I can.
 
One other thought: Have you thought about front and rear rests? I decided to not go the bipod route and I'm very glad I did. I bought a low-end-of-the-line Bald Eagle front rest and I'm thrilled I did. Final pre-shot adjustments are a snap. I see my friends messing a bunch with bipods and rear bags to get final positioning done and it sure seems like making final adjustments using a good front rest makes life really really nice.
 
6.5 Creedmoor is your cartridge. I don't own one. I shoot .308, .260 and .243AI, and have a .260AI waiting to be broken in. But I'd still recommend the 6.5 Creedmoor as the best budget entry round for 1,000 yards. I don't think .308 will be much cheaper, as you'll need a 175 grain bullet from a 26-inch barrel to really make it sing, and the inexpensive .308 ammo is generally loaded with a 150-168 grain bullet. The 6.5 CM will get there much more easily, and with less recoil.

As for rifle, I'd probably go with a Ruger American Predator. I would not buy a packaged scope; rather, I'd save up for better glass with a 30mm tube. And down the road a bit, I'd plan to replace the stock and the trigger, but you don't need to do that immediately.

I don't know what your budget is, but I'd give serious consideration to a Bergara B-14 HMR in .6.5 CM. Buy once, cry once.
Interested in your 260 experience as I am looking between a 260 Remington and a 6.5 Creedmoor. The 260 interested me because I have a ton of 308 brass and was planning on forming my own 260 brass, as I mostly shoot handloads after I have worked up a “ladder” for each of my rifles.
 
Interested in your 260 experience as I am looking between a 260 Remington and a 6.5 Creedmoor. The 260 interested me because I have a ton of 308 brass and was planning on forming my own 260 brass, as I mostly shoot handloads after I have worked up a “ladder” for each of my rifles.
I just finished a .260 Remington project. I went with 260 because you can use the common 243,7mm-08, and 308 brass. I have just started working up loads for it and I will try the Satterlee test method again. I’ve used it a few times and gets me real close to a accurate load, I like it.
 
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