I had a S&W 610, one of the first one made. It was very accurate, but loading the 1/2, 1/3 and full moon clips was a pita. Besides, that big "N" frame gun was too big to hip carry. I sold it and got a Ruger BH with the 45 ACP and 45 colt cylinders. I am much happier with this combo.
10mm & 40 cal Blackhawk?
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mcb
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Interesting, I have never seen a 1/2 or 1/3 moonclip for a 610. Seen them for 625/1917 but never a 610. I have about 20,000 rds through at 610 as a competition revolver using full moonclips and it was a great revolver for that. It later got replaced by a 625 then a 627. After I quit using it in competition I hunted with it after that.
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You are describing the Herters .401 Power Mag...
I’m not trying to pick on TTv2 specifically. I’m just using this as an example of a comment I’ve seen a number of times, especially when relating to the 10mm BH.
So why does the 10mm elicit this response? If I were to say I wanted to buy a .357 Mag or a .44 Spl, I doubt I’d have someone suggest this was a poor choice, and that I should get a .45 Colt or .44 Mag instead. Using that logic, nobody should buy anything that wasn’t at least a .45-70 and loaded with high-pressure loads, right?
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I say it because why buy a big hunk of a revolver in the Blackhawk when you could buy a Glock for less that weighs less and holds more rounds and shoots the 10mm AND .40 too?
I could understand it if you got a revolver that was chambered for 10mm Magnum, that's a significantly powerful round on par with .41 Mag, but 10mm comes nowhere close to the power of .41 Mag or .44 or hot .45 Colt.
I agree with tho that 10mm is a unique bird for an autoloader cartridge in a revolver. With 9mm, given how cheap the ammo is, it's understandable. With .45 ACP, you can get them with every .45 Colt revolver via a spare cylinder or moon clips. 10mm is not as common as the previous two and not more powerful enough in comparison to .357 Mag that it makes it a better choice to own vs other calibers in a revolver.
Unless you're a super hardcore fan of 10mm and only own pistols in the caliber.
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I love a 10MM Revolver and I did not need a "reason" to own one. The Blackhawk in 10MM is one of my favorites and I have used it for a variety of things, hunting, range fun, plinking with 40S&W at clay birds out to 100 yards. The 10MM Blackhawk if you are considering it go get one you will kick yourself in the butt for a long time if not. Accuracy is great hence my 100 yard blinking here it is in the ransom rest.
Well, in a nutshell, because it’s a Glock it has zero aesthetics and zero personality....at least with the Blackhawk you get style points, and I’ll bet the Ruger will typically be more accurate.
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While some dont like it theybare great...if you own 10/mm and or 40 already it s a great gun to add... 40 brass is as cheap as brass getts.. .40cal is legit.... and a black hawk should outlast any of the semi auto's 
If yas tock ammo for 40 or 10mm its a great idea!
If yas tock ammo for 40 or 10mm its a great idea!
Should have tried Rimz clips.
As for the 10mm in a Blackhawk the only time I used the 10mm cylinder in my Buckeye was the day I got it cause I didn't have any 38/40 ammo.
mcb
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I bought my 610 used so IIRC I got a half dozen or so of full moonclips with it. Now I bought it specifically for USPSA competition so as soon as I picked it up I ordered 50 full moonclips and a few months later another 100 full moonclips. At the time Ranch Product were cheap in bulk (IIRC less than a $1 per). Still are some of the least expensive moonclips going and are very good for the price for rimless revolvers (I use Ranch in my 610 or 625). I don't like their moonclips for rimmed cartridges as much.
610, 625, 627,
Load them up at home in you leisure before the range trip or match. Go shoot and enjoy. Deal with the empty and partial moonclips at your leisure at home again. Good moonclips tools make it quick and painless.
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CraigC
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That is why I'd rather have one on the mid-frame. I have a Buckeye .38-40 but have never shot it with the 10mm cylinder. It probably should go down the road.
I have, however, threatened for years to have a .38-40/.40S&W/10mm/10mmMag/pseudo-.401PowerMag built on an Old Model .357. I 'may' end up doing some combination of those on a Uberti Flat-top Target.
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You see some strange things. A friend has a New Service in .38-40 Improved. He started with a scruffy 1917, installed a 38-40 barrel, and rechambered a Numrich .357 cylinder. Why .38-40 Improved? That was the reamer he could borrow.
The late David Woodruff made a specialty of lining pistol and revolver barrels for caliber conversion or repair. His recommendation for Herter's .401 PowerMag was to rechamber the cylinder for .38-40. Not a perfect cleanup, the chamber neck would be oversize but the brass would size back down and it would get you shooting.
The late David Woodruff made a specialty of lining pistol and revolver barrels for caliber conversion or repair. His recommendation for Herter's .401 PowerMag was to rechamber the cylinder for .38-40. Not a perfect cleanup, the chamber neck would be oversize but the brass would size back down and it would get you shooting.
CraigC
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There's a .401 that Taffin had rechambered to .38-40 pictured in his work. Also slicked down the funky topstrap.
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Sure, but it's style over substance.
That's a pretty bad bet considering the quality Ruger is putting out these days in regards to their revolvers. Their single actions tend to be better than their DA's tho, but the 10mm is kind of an oddball caliber for a revolver.
Mine has been very good. I just got back from the range. Smacking an 8”x12” steel plate at 50 yards is pretty easy with it. I can’t do that very consistently with a Glock.
Although, of the five Ruger single-action revolvers I own, this one has the worst trigger. Pull weight is fine, but the trigger has a lot of creep. It was really noticeable as I was shooting it with my 1970-something .30 Carbine BH, which has almost no creep.
Here is a target I shot at 25 yards shortly after I got the 10mm BH. The target on the right was the same load, shot through a Colt Delta Elite.
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Not a fair comparison considering that that Delta Elite clearly does not like that load. Apples to apples, best performing ammo in each gun, the accuracy would be equal, but my sense is that with a wider variety of ammo the autoloaders will shoot better.
It obviously does not. But having said that, while I have shot a few high-end custom 1911s that shoot that well, I have not been able to do that what any production semi-auto.
Then again, I’m sure the loose but behind the trigger is partially to blame.
I think quality is pretty good IMHO. One of my most accurate revolvers is a pre-production.454 SBH that defies all conventional wisdom.
Wow it's pretty amazing all the unfathomable directions at my humble post inspired
Yeah I guess this gun really would be more just for fun and because
It's definitely not I need gun considering I do have 44 Magnums 454 Casull and a stable full of 357
But if I come up with some extra cash it sure would be fun to see what 10 mm in 40 cal to out of this interesting Blackhawk and by the way I think ruger's quality is just fine and they back up their products.
Sig on the other hand not so much.
The comment that concerned me most was the one about the trigger creep on this particular gun I would appreciate more information about that because I've never experienced trigger creep on a single action revolver so what's the deal with that?
Yeah I guess this gun really would be more just for fun and because
It's definitely not I need gun considering I do have 44 Magnums 454 Casull and a stable full of 357
But if I come up with some extra cash it sure would be fun to see what 10 mm in 40 cal to out of this interesting Blackhawk and by the way I think ruger's quality is just fine and they back up their products.
Sig on the other hand not so much
.The comment that concerned me most was the one about the trigger creep on this particular gun I would appreciate more information about that because I've never experienced trigger creep on a single action revolver so what's the deal with that?
CraigC
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It's a bet I'll take every time. Not only are service autos typically less accurate but the sights on a pistol like the Glock are so coarse and the triggers so squishy, it's impossible to do any better.
1911's have better sights and triggers but typically are not going to hang with a revolver either. Unless we're talking about a $5000 hand-fitted Ed Brown.
Further, I've bought 32 new-production Rugers in the last five years, 10 of them revolvers. Not a complaint to be had about any of them and one of them is one of the most accurate revolvers I own.
CraigC
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You have to understand, the Ruger New Model came about because of litigation. Not only did they design them with the transfer bar so they could be carried with the hammer down on a loaded chamber but the lovely, crisp 2-3lb triggers of the Old Models are also gone. Not to mention that the transfer bar itself requires a certain amount of creep to function properly. It can be minimized with professional help but it's usually not too bad.
Thanks Craig C that makes sense
Most of the revolvers I own unfortunately to have transfer bars and in single action I don't notice a problem with creep.
There definitely is no creep in my Freedom Arms model 83 s.
I did recently pick up a 27 - 2 beauty that has a real hammer
Most of the revolvers I own unfortunately to have transfer bars and in single action I don't notice a problem with creep.
There definitely is no creep in my Freedom Arms model 83 s.
I did recently pick up a 27 - 2 beauty that has a real hammer
My exact sentiments. It’s a bet I would make a large wager on!
I was going to post the same thing. You can actuall see the amount of creep when dry firing a NM Blackhawk. As you slowly engage the trigger, you can watch the transfer bar raise a small amount until the hammer drops. Some have more and others less. It really is a function of how much hammer/sear engagement the gun has.
I did say that my 10mm/.40 has a bit of creep, but it is also well within the tolerance of a typical production single-action firearm. It probably doesn't help that I was comparing it to what happens to be my absolute best Blackhawk trigger. The .30 Carbine NMBH I was shooting yesterday has a better trigger than even my 1965 3-screw Blackhawk. The trigger pull on rest of my Blackhawks fall somewhere between the .30 and the 10mm. And I'm sure it's something I could have improved without too much trouble. I just haven't yet.
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