10mm and a Cape Buffalo

Status
Not open for further replies.
P

phantomak47

Member
Joined
May 27, 2003
Messages
1,178
Location
Texas
I think I was watching that Ted Nugent hunting show and on part of the intro( Or somewhere in the show), I saw him shooting his Glock at a Cape Buffalo. I am assuming that its a 10mm since he loves that caliber so much and I have seen him take down a deer with it on his show once.

My question is how does a 10mm due for shooting large game like that, or primarly deer?

Is it a lot better than a 45?

What guns other than glock is it chambered in?
 
I guess I'm not as brave as Mr Nugent. If I only had a pistol to fend off a cape buffalo it'd better be a .454 or .500 S&W. Maybe a .50AE. Honestly, get a BIG rifle at that point. :D
 
I think shooting a G20 at a Cape Buffalo is one of the stupid things I have ever heard. He must have been in a truck or something.


Wait until H&H Hunter hears about this he will probably flip out.
 
With the right loads, a 10mm Auto is on par with a .41 Remington Magnum power wise. I wouldn't want to use either one for shooting a Cape Buffalo. Just because .22 long rifles have been used for killng deer, it doesn't make a Ruger 10/22 a deer rifle.
 
10mm for Deer would work, but attempting to hunt Cape Buffalo with a 10mm handgun would be suicide -- "The Hunter's" --- :eek:



:evil:
 
I have seen this tape. Ted is following up on an arrow wounded Buff. Kills it with the glock. He is on foot.
 
Last edited:
Is it a lot better than a 45?
Click to expand...

For hunting, yes. It can push 220gr bullets to 1,125 ft/sec or 200gr bullets to 1,250+ ft/sec, vs. 230gr @ 950 ft/sec for .45 ACP +P. When you consider that a 220gr 10mm bullet has the sectional density of a ~280gr .45 caliber bullet, it superiority as a hunting cartridge should be pretty clear.

That said, it is NOT a big-game cartridge by any stretch.
 
I am all for bow hunting, but if you think that hunting a cape buffaloe with a bow is bad, I watched some idiot hunt an elephant with a bow on the outdoor channel. NO JOKE, he shot it with an arrow and then someone had to take it down with a gun. I am sorry but thats just plain stupid trying to kill an elephant with a bow.Borderline un ethical.
 
Actually Howard Hill, Fred Bear and several others did elephants with bow. I even saw a Fred Bear segment on the American SPortsman show of yesteryear where he took a polar bear at 15 yards. Spooky.

Ted was shooting a 100 pound drw weight with specially constructed double wall arrows. I was done it a way that was ethical.

BTW for fun some time fill a 5 gallon bucket with sand. and shoot it with a 30-06, The bullet will be trapped in the sand. Then have your archery pal shoot it with his bow with a broad head. The broad head on a compund will easily penetrate the entire bucket, sand and all. Yes, I do this demo with every bow hunter ed class.

Arrows kill by bleeding the critter versus by massive shock to the body. But don't underestimate what a bow is capable of.

Anyhow, Ted got a bad stick. This is where most show toss the tape. Ted wanted to show the need to follow up on an animal that he had wounded. Circumstances were going south, hence resorting to the glock.

On this tape he also harvested a rhino with a bow. He had the rhino looking at him head on at 7 yards.
 
For hunting, yes. It can push 220gr bullets to 1,125 ft/sec or 200gr bullets to 1,250+ ft/sec, vs. 230gr @ 950 ft/sec for .45 ACP +P.
Click to expand...
There are more .45s than the ACP. The .45 Colt loaded hot and heavy then shot from a suitable platform can out perform the .44mag.
So to answer the question, most of the time it is, but sometimes the 10mm is not a lot better than the .45.
 
With the right loads, a 10mm Auto is on par with a .41 Remington Magnum power wise.


Only if you are talking about 10mm loads pushed beyond SAAMI limits versus low-end .41 magnum loads. With both loaded within maximum SAAMI limits, the .41 is quite a bit more powerful.

These are Buffalo Bore's 41 magnum loads...

265 gr. LWN-GC 1350 fps 1072 ft. lbs.
230 gr. SWC (Keith-type) 1450 fps 1074 ft. lbs.
170 gr. JHP 1650 fps 1028 ft. lbs.
 
There are more .45s than the ACP. The .45 Colt loaded hot and heavy then shot from a suitable platform can out perform the .44mag.
So to answer the question, most of the time it is, but sometimes the 10mm is not a lot better than the .45.
Click to expand...

Um, this is the AUTOLOADER forum. Know of any .45 Colt autoloaders? :neener:
 
Only if you are talking about 10mm loads pushed beyond SAAMI limits versus low-end .41 magnum loads. With both loaded within maximum SAAMI limits, the .41 is quite a bit more powerful.
Click to expand...

If you don't take barrel length into account, sure. Buffalo Bore uses 6" barreled Freedom Arms revolvers for their velocity figures. Overall length for .41 mag is 1.590". So the distance from breech face to front of the cylinder would be about 1.75". That's the equivalent of a 7.75" barreled auto.

Doubletap sells a 220 grain hardcast lead flatpoint at 1125 fps from a Glock 20 with a 4.6" barrel. 10mm is 1.260" max length, so the Glock 20 is equivalent to about a 3.2" barreled revolver.

My best guess is the Buffalo Bore load through a 3.2" barrel revolver would be around 1225 fps or so. Not that much of an increase.
 
The above Buffalo Bore 41 magnum loads in...

6.5" Ruger

265gr. - 1379 fps
230gr. - 1459 fps
170gr. - 1640 fps

2. 4" S&W Mountain Gun

265gr. - 1310 fps
230gr. - 1370 fps
170gr. - 1551 fps

So, with a 4" revolver barrel, which is the equivalent of a 4.6"-5" autoloader barrel, the .41 magnum pushes a 265gr. slug nearly 200fps. faster than the 10mm pushes a 220gr. slug. The .41 230gr. slug is faster still. I am well aware of Mike's 10mm external ballstics. The 10 still doesn't come nearly as close as some would like to believe to the .41 magnum.

EDIT: Looking through my chrono data notebook, DoubleTap's 200gr. XTP averaged 1260fps from my 6.5" S&W 610, or 50fps slower than Buffalo Bore's heavier 265gr. load from a 2.5" shorter barrel. Not exactly "on par" with the .41 magnum.
 
Last edited:
Um, this is the AUTOLOADER forum. Know of any .45 Colt autoloaders?
Click to expand...
Nope, but remember the .45 Grizzly Win Mag? :D

Ted an unethical hunter? Not likely! Typical how a scenaio taken out of context can turn the story on it's head...
Ted wanted to show the need to follow up on an animal that he had wounded. Circumstances were going south, hence resorting to the glock.
Click to expand...
Thanks for bringing that out, Bear Gulch!

Ted Nugent Rocks!! :cool:
 
In one of his books, Peter Hathaway Capstick told the story of two jokers back around 1900 who killed two elephants with a .22 LR rifle- the first more oe less by mistake while trying to scare it into a better shooting position for the guy with the big gun, the second to prove they weren't lying about the first. Hit them just behind the front leg and apparently got some of the big blood vessels near the heart.

Of course, a .22 isn't an elephant gun, but don't discount the potential of a properly placed shot of any caliber.
 
A 10mm would be a better choice for smaller game...much smaller.

I don't think you HAVE to resort to huge magnum cartridges to take a cape buffalo. They do the job, but smaller cartridges will too.
 
Frankly, I think that Ted's Spirit of the Wild show often portrays hunting in a more realistic manner. In this episode, he was trying to show that he had a moral duty fo follow that animal since blood was drawn.

He could have packed up the camera and let the PH sort it out, and never shown us his less than perfect shot. So for being willing to show himself as less than perfect I feel that Ted deserves some kudos. He even admits on the tape to having been encouraged not to show that segment, but he further stated that he felt it was necessary to show it.

Ted has taken a ton of guff over the years. Last year OLN even editied out segments of an episode where they were showing how to field dress and butcher a deer. OLN felt that this was too graphic. While I don't always agree with Ted, he has been a farless advocat for the 2A, hunting and conservation.
 
When I started this post, I didnt mean to intend that Ted is un ethical or anything like that . Only part of what I saw in regard to Ted shooting the Cape Buffaloe.


What I was saying about the elephant had nothing to do with Ted at all, infact that was a completely different show.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Y
  • Locked
Ted Nugent 10mm cape buffalo
Replies
14
Views
3K
TimboKhan
TimboKhan
S
  • Locked
10mm for hunting/ wilderness defense
Replies
13
Views
2K
SHOOT1SAM
S
N
  • Locked
STI Perfect 10
Replies
15
Views
3K
Peter M. Eick
P
P
  • Locked
Glock 20 owners tell me about your glock and the 10mm
Replies
13
Views
855
coltrane679
C
X
10mm Auto copper ammo
Replies
0
Views
174
XenopusTex
X
Back
Top