12GA Will never be the same again!

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You heard that right. Ballistic Products has just released an incredible sabot design for 12GA reloaders. It crushes to relieve pressure in just the right fashion, and attainable 12GA slug velocities have simply SKYROCKETED.

Let me give you two tested and confirmed loads:

BPI Sabot
3.0" Fiocchi hull, roll crimped
44.0 grains HS6

500 Grain Hornady .50 JFP
11,100PSI
2,400FPS
6,400Ft-Lbs

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BPI Sabot
3.5" Federal hull, roll crimped
50.0 grains HS6

500 Grain Hornady .50 JFP
12,900PSI
2,750FPS!!
8,300Ft-Lbs



These loads must be used with their recommended wadding types and gas seals!
 
Do you fire that from a tripod or a vehicle mount? :evil:


Matt304 said:
You heard that right. Ballistic Products has just released an incredible sabot design for 12GA reloaders. It crushes to relieve pressure in just the right fashion, and attainable 12GA slug velocities have simply SKYROCKETED.

Let me give you two tested and confirmed loads:

BPI Sabot
3.0" Fiocchi hull, roll crimped
44.0 grains HS6

500 Grain Hornady .50 JFP
11,100PSI
2,400FPS
6,400Ft-Lbs

------------------------------------------------
BPI Sabot
3.5" Federal hull, roll crimped
50.0 grains HS6

500 Grain Hornady .50 JFP
12,900PSI
2,750FPS!!
8,300Ft-Lbs



These loads must be used with their recommended wadding types and gas seals!
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These will be great when they reopen Mastodon Season.

Until then, I'll stick with KOs...
 
You buy it, I'll shoot it.

3" magnums max length.

Think these would work out of a Saiga-12?
 
I'm not up on my powders.

Is HS6 a bit slower than your usual fast shotgun/pistol powders giving a lower pressure curve for that given velocity?
 
Guys, I'm not saying this will be fun to shoot.

What I'm getting at is another story. For a long time, fellas have argued that the "safari cartridges" are the only ones capable of all game on the planet. They used the argument that a 12GA is in no way capable of taking cape buffalo, elephant, and etc, without using giantly heavy bullets, and very thick barrels on custom guns to achieve huge energy for penetration.

Well, they have no argument anymore. This now puts ANY factory 3" gun into 458 Lott territory. This puts 3.5" guns into 460 Weatherby territory. You can use literally any .50 bullet of your choice, like banded solids, and there is no doubt it will be capable of any game on the planet. All from a factory, unmodified gun.

Like I said, the 12GA will never be the same again.

About HS6, I haven't looked at a burn rate chart on it. The theory behind these sabots is that you can use a powder normally much too fast to stay within pressure limits. Under the pressure spike, the sabot crushes and adds lots of volume around the powder. You remove the peak of the pressure spike that way, but allow a very long impulse curve to remain in the barrel, which keeps on pushing and accelerating the projectile more than a slower powder would do with that much volume.

Anyone with a drill press and scale can easily start loading their own sabots. You also of course can use much lighter bullets.

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I'll shoot it.

From my 1740.

Who wants to pitch in for the ammo? Hell, when can I get some!?
 
I guess I'm old-fashioned. If it looks like a screw, why hit it with a hammer? If you need to shoot a cape buffalo or an elephant, why not take the proper tool?

Now from a "wow! that's amazing!" perspective that certainly is, well, amazing. But I can't imagine it'll be a big seller anywhere except with the youtube crowd that thinks it's cool to cripple their girlfriends in the pursuit of a knee-slappingly hilarious (or so they must think) video.

Looks like a fine home defense load.
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Fixed it for you:
<sarcasm>Looks like a fine home defense load.</sarcasm>

Can you imagine? They'd be following the holes through multiple houses halfway to the next county.:eek:
 
I would love to see someone shoot 10 of those rapid fire from a semi auto as fast as they could pull the trigger.
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lol! I think by the third round they would be firing from flat on their back!
 
I'd be willing to fire precisely one round loaded like that from my super light SBS NEF 12ga.... because I could never fire the gun again after that.
 
Problem is, hoisting my Caldwell lead sled into the stand with two bags of lead shot is a bit cumbersome, and that's the only way I'd shoot it. :eek:

Seriously, that's incredible if true - hard to believe though that this can be achieved with such low pressures. Makes my glad I've got a rifled 12 ga to experiment with. Wonder what kind of vels you could get with lighter bullets in the 300 gr range? A rifled 12 ga now IS the proper tool for African DG if this is for real. How exactly does this crushing of the wadding occur - does it let gases escape by it?

Can you imagine using this sabot in the "12 ga rifle from hell"? You could probably push 500 grains to 3,300 fps! :eek:
 
If someone else'll pay for it and load it, I'll shoot a round through my Serbu Super Shorty and video tape it for everyone else's amusement.
 
WOW! That's alot of pop
When that youtube video comes out make sure you update this thread.
I wouldn't do that to any of my friends, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone else do it to thiers.
 
Hell it sounds like a good and dandy time to me =D

No really guys I would willing to shoot one of those beasts anyday.

Um, for comparison purposes, what is a 2 3/4" brenneke KO do for ft lbs?
 
Brenneke KOs aren't any more powerful than most of the 1 oz. slugs out there. Just better designed and harder lead. Brenneke says 1600 fps and 2491 ft-lbs.

Also:

Hm, it looks like the slow twist rate of a shotgun might not be that much of an issue. The Greenhill formula says that a 1:28 twist will stabilize a 2.85" long, .50 cal bullet. If that's a blunt roundnose monolithic solid, that's about 1200 grains. If it's a thick-jacketed lead bullet, call it 1400 to 1450 grains. Of course, that's the minimum twist to stabilize, so cut those weights by 20% to be more realistic. 1,000 grains for a mono solid, 1,150 grains for lead core.

And of course, you can't keep energy constant with a heavier bullet, but low pressure rounds are usually pretty efficient with heavy stuff. I'd guesstimate 4,000 to 5,000 ft-lbs would be possible with a 1,000 grain bullet. That'd be somewhere around 1400 fps.
 
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