160gr lead RN 9mm and Bullseye

[ljnowell]

BTW can missouribullet guys make hard lead bullets for bulletworks price?
I was told by another shop I frequent that they bullets are softer. "too soft" is actual comment.

Missouri Bullet can get you virtually any of their bullets in just about any hardness they offer, which is several. They make bullets that are more than capable of 9mm velocity. I shoot thier 158gr SWC in a S&W 686 at a chrono'd 1400fps. My regular shooting load of 14.5gr of 2400 isnt there, but its well above the velocity you would be pushing any 9mm bullet to.

You will not be dissapointed with Missouri Bullet. Especially with the fast shipping and speedy service.

 

[badsugarterrors]

Well I reread all the comments and missed this one. There is a such thing as 160gr for 9mm. I posted a link and I think I mentioned that I saw sold on site where this actual product comes from. thebullitworksnet.

What is it used for? Well I talked to a guy I know and he says he knows a guy who uses this grain for competition.

So, to finish off this thread, I have decided to not use this grain until I have mastered the 9mm in a more common grain that I will probably get from Missouribullet. I won't use Bullseye nor will I just throw some stuff together. There's a such a thing as 160gr for 9mm. Used as far as I know for competition. Maybe for killin chipmunks too not sure.

And when my guy said his guy used it... he made the gesture of something going up, out, then down... I said, like a rainbow? And he said, yeah, something like that. Which confused the hell out of me. Why would you use a bullet you have to lob to target?

 

[badsugarterrors]

I looked at their site and didn't see anything about hardness selection. It seemed all one type. I believe you just dont know where to look. Prices are nice. And I read all the customer service hoopla and I felt like I was wanted.
Missed any FAQ page though... gonna recheck

If www.missouribullet.com is a member and you guys swear by the name, I suggest you type company name as URL that way new people can click on link and/or searchbots find for future googlers.

 

[Sapper771]

Badsugarterrors,

I have seen a few places that dont specify between the 9mm and 38 super bullets. I guess it is due to them both using the same bullet diameter (.355/.356). I figured that the 38 super would have a better safety margin with the 160gr bullet.

I recommend Missouri bullets as well. I have used the 125gr LRN with good success. I just started using the 147gr subsonic and my G17 with LWD barrel loves them.

 

[ljnowell]

I looked at their site and didn't see anything about hardness selection. It seemed all one type. I believe you just dont know where to look. Prices are nice. And I read all the customer service hoopla and I felt like I was wanted.
Missed any FAQ page though... gonna recheck

They have two bullets listed as 18bhn and one at 15bhn on the website. You can also email them, call them, or just send brad(username MissouriBullet) and request some in whatever hardness you want. They cast in 12, 15, and 18bhn. I also think they cast down to a 10bhn also, thats what my 148gr dewc are I believe.

 

[918v]

This bullet will work in the 9 if you seat it to 1.169" and it chambers easily.

I'd try 3.5grs to start.

I thought you had a revolver bullet.

 

[BigBob3006]

badsugarterrors,

I don't believe there is such a thing as a 160gr 9mm bullet. The heaviest bullet normally associated with the 9mm is the 147gr. I've checked all of my book and none of them show anything heavier than 147gr for any bullet, cast or jacket. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

 

[zxcvbob]

ttp://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/.../bullet9mm.jpg
This is a pic of the bullets measured

OK, I'd shoot those with about 3.2 grains of BE and an OAL of 1.169". 3.5 is too much. Muzzle velocity should be somewhere around 900 fps -- same as a .38 Special -- so the trajectory isn't too bad.

Buy some 120-something grain bullets first and get some experience loading; save the 160's for later. HTH

 

[snuffy]

Well, you learn something new every day! Sorry for being so negative, there's a growing faction that are using those 160's from the bullet works with great success. The forum over at enos is very up-beat on them. Apparently there's a couple other companies producing 160's as well.

http://www.thebulletworks.net/160-gr-9mm-Round-Nose-bullet-p/09-160%20rn.htm

My mental image of a 160 9mm bullet was some very long, pointy bullet. They actually don't look like that at all. Since most of the guys that are loading these shoot the short range games or steel, the rainbow trajectory is a non-factor. What they're after is soft recoil. I wouldn't try it unless I can get some tougher springs to keep from beating my gun up.

I just got a CZ-75-B, the cold war commemorative. Only one indoor range session so far, waiting for the outdoor range to dry out.

 

[icanthitabarn]

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Ok, wow my ass hurts. And I don't even know where to start to explain. Wow what a good sig line it would go good with the one trying to sell the feel of his handgun as comparable to a mans tool. anyone?

 

[918v]

3.5 is too much.

Is not.

 

[murf]

red cent,

didn't see your post. no i don't shoot competitively. the 160gn bullet is from bear creek supply. it is moly coated and .356" diameter. it is made for 38 super. it works just fine in my bhp. it clocks at over 800fps out of the bhp. sorry, i can't post the load info here.

murf

 

[Seedtick]

Yep, tried going there but they were closed because of all the rain we are getting is flooding north of Little Rock.

badsugarterrors,

It appears that we are from the same part of the world. I live around 30 miles north of Little Rock up (the now partially flooded) I67/167. I could fix you up with a few samples of Missouri Bullets to try if you want 'em.

I've got a box or 2 of each of his 9mm offerings and I would be happy to share. Drop me a pm if you're interested.

Seedtick

 

[badsugarterrors]

160 gr bullets for 9mm GONNE!

Yes, I got rid of them. I purchased from Don's Weaponry in NLR, AR. I didn't mention them because I don't like to badmouth two companies in one week just in case they didn't accept my return.

Of course, when I called expecting a "Hell NO!" I talked to Chuck and Tim. They said sure man no problem. I can't believe we sold you that being new and Sure man but just in case you want to know this is how you do it... pulled out a few books until he found correct book. I think it was speers.

So got 100 rnds winchester 124gr jacketed. Just to leave with something. 231 for loading 45. Small pistol primer and a bullet HAMMER! yes...

They offered full refund three times but I figured since they were so eager to make their customer satisfied I figured they deserve my money. Plus Chuck spent an hour answering literally every question I could come up with.

The reason why I thought they wouldn't accept a return is because a couple years ago I purchased an AR mag and decided I wanted to go PMAG so I called to ask to return unopened and with receipt next day. Guy that worked there said nope. I told him I had receipt and unopened. He said nope. I said well maybe I should take my business elsewhere. He said maybe... you... should...

I mentioned that to the guys there... they said yeah that was probably blah blah and he is a blah blah. I assume he doens't work there anymore.
So for two years they received minimal business from me because of that one phone call. It's a damn shame.

 

[TonyT]

I have never seen pressure tested data from either Alliant or W-W usiong 160 gr. lead bullets in 9mm. W-W did have data for 147 gr. lead bullets in 9mm using W-231 and WSF. To my recollection Alliant never published any data recommending Bullseye with lead bullets exceeding 125 gr.

 

[Jim Watson]

You have done well.
As you probably have noticed, there is a world of data for 124 grain 9mms.
I've shot a wide variety of bullets in the caliber, 100-158 grain, and think 124s might be the optimum. At least ol' Georg and the DWM management thought so, 9mm P was introduced with an 8 gram/123.4 grain bullet way back in 1903.

 

[918v]

To my recollection Alliant never published any data recommending Bullseye with lead bullets exceeding 125 gr.

Yes, but we live on the wild side.

 

[Galil5.56]

Tony,

My printed manual I got during the Hercules-to-Alliant switch (circa 1995) has Bullseye data for 147 grain Hornady XTP bullets in 9mm...

4.2 grains Bullseye as listed max
147 grain Hornady XTP
1.140" Min OAL
4" barrel
1,010 fps
32,900 psi

 

[ironhead7544]

Contrary to popular opinion the 160 gr lead 38 Super bullets works just fine in the 9mm. I have been using them for many years. There are a couple of things you need to know about loading them. First, the OAL should be the max for your magazine and chamber. You will have to determine this for your pistol. Also, the Lee Factory Crimp die must be used. This will size the case so that it will fit in any chamber. With some cases there might be a slight bulge where the base of the bullet hits the taper of the case. The LFCD will iron this out and will also size the bullet down to fit the chamber.

The Lyman #45 manual list loads for the 158 gr lead bullet for up to 1040 fps with the 9mm.

I was looking for a practice load for my G17 when I decided to try the 160 gr bullets. I couldnt get good accuracy from the lighter bullets, although I never tried the 147 gr cast. A shop had the 160 gr bullets so I bought them. I ended up using AA#2 as there are some 158 gr loads listed. I worked up from the minimum until I got 100% function. Light recoil and about 3 inch groups at 25 yards, good enough for my purposes.

I have fired this same load in many different firearms with excellent results. They include a Marlin Carbine, semi and full auto Uzis, MK760 and 9mm Ar15s.

BTW, Bullseye is listed as the accuracy load for this bullet.

 

[918v]

the Lee Factory Crimp die must be used.

Not true.