19 yearold girl kills home invader and wounds second

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"Not easy to deal with" isn't the same thing as "feeling bad."

Taking a life is a monumental act - we all know or have heard about men who last held a rifle in 1945 who still have nightmares. Even when justified or necessary, killing someone shouldn't be 'easy' (nor can it be for most people).
 
Traveler is not suggesting a session of Kumbyaya(sp) with the attacker,or that the shooter should morn the death.He is saying that any death should not be trivialized.He is talking about the standards we hold ourselves to.

When some one comes through the door you won't know whether they "deserve killing"because of their past,their future or their immediate intent.

When you pull the trigger it has to be justifiable in your mind and to your conscience.That's the responsibility that you assume when you arm yourself.

It would be best to not confront that decision even though you should be prepared to make it.
 
Thank you, Glenn

"Traveler is not suggesting a session of Kumbyaya(sp) with the attacker,or that the shooter should morn the death.He is saying that any death should not be trivialized.He is talking about the standards we hold ourselves to."

That is the point I was trying to make.

I'm not suggesting that the young woman in the story didn't do the right thing. She did.

Almost seven years ago, my cousin was rock climbing in Kyrgyzstan when her group was captured by Islamic separatists. They escaped by pushing one of their captors off a cliff while the other was away getting supplies.

It seemed that everyone was cheering over the incident except my cousin and her group. They wouldn't even say which one of them had pushed the man over the cliff.

Even though this man certainly did not have good intentions for my cousin and her friends, the sound of him screaming as he went over was still a horrible memory for them.

In a side note, it turned out that he survived the fall and was picked up by the Kyrgyzstani military, but this does not weaken my point. My cousin and her climbing party didn't know he survived. They were pretty sure they had killed him.

My cousin's friend did the right thing when he pushed that man over the cliff, but he certainly didn't want praise and attention for it. Even though it was completely necessary and justified for him to do what he did, it was not a pleasant thought.
 
Killing a human being no matter what they're doing, should not be an easy thing to come to terms with.

Those of us who carry everyday as part of our jobs or after making a personal decision to take responsibility for our own safety, have already come to terms with it long before we ever have to employ deadly force.

If you haven't you may want to rethink your SD/HD plan.

It's part of the mindset that Jeff Cooper talked about.

It doesn't mean that we're looking for a fight. It just means boundries have been drawn.

Any bi-pedal, humanoid predator attacking another human or invading a home with intent to cause harm forfeits their humanity in my book.

I don't agree that all life is precious. Some of it is a menace to society.

Count me as part of the Clint Smith school of thought....."Some people need to be shot."

The lady did an excellent job given her age and lack of experience in the real world. She has just grown immeasureably from it.
 
There's an old saying

that goes something like "Most people who get shot needed to get shot."
 
"He is saying that any death should not be trivialized"


Yes or no: Is killing EVER justified or necessary?
I say that, unfortunately, sometimes, YES.

Let's agree to disagree on this one.
 
Squirrel,
If you have to trivialize killing to make it justifiable then you have doubts about whether it is right.

If you hold all life as precious then the decision to take a life has been held to the highest standard.Sometimes the answer will be yes, without a doubt.
 
Canned anti-gunner response:

"She will now be traumatized for life for having slain her innocent, well meaning assailant. What gave her the right to choose her own life and that of her boyfriend over those of the differently honest pair who merely sought to even the 'disparity of wealth' between them? She should have taken the 'moral highground' by allowing herself to be raped, and herself and her boyfriend to be murdered. Why do we have police? If they don't show up in time, that's the price that we pay to safeguard the welfare of robbers, rapists and murderers against the violence committed by their victims. She's going to have to live with what she did."
 
Of course, the outcome of this situation was better than the alternative -- it's better that the armed robbers were stopped, rather than harm coming to the couple -- but, really, the best possible outcome would have been if NO ONE had been killed.
The assailants chose the outcome of the events. Nowhere in the story is there any indication that either of them was coerced in any way to commit a home invasion.

I'll be 49 years old a week from today. In that near half-century, I have never ONCE committed a home invasion or an armed robbery. I come from the second worse part of Chicago. Yet somehow I've managed not to commit any violent crimes, much less home invasions.

If you commit a violent crime against someone and end up dead or seriously wounded because of it, whose fault is that? That's right, YOURS. The deceased would have nor more right to complain about his fate than would a grown man who stuck a fork in a wall socket.

I guess you can't repeat that old Marine Corps saying enough, "Life is hard. It's harder if you're stupid."

I have not one IOTA of sympathy for the two simpletons who got shot. They made their beds, and they were for sure on fire when they lay down upon them. I have sympathy for children with pediatric AIDS, for the people (other than the hijackers) who died on 9/11 and their families, for people who get food poisoning at fast food restaurants, for the victims of the Holocaust, and for everybody else who encounters misfortune through little or no fault of their own. I have NO sympathy for people who bring misfortune down on their own heads with both hands. It's not a shame that people like these two get shot. It's a shame that MORE of them don't get shot, SOONER, before they can harm as many people in this world as they do.

The buffoon who payed for his buffoonery with his life lived a trivial life and died a trivial death, and in my opinion, not a moment too soon.
 
Deanimator said: She will now be traumatized for life . . . . She's going to have to live with what she did."

Well, at least you got some of that right, Deanimator.


Only the most hard-hearted of people, those clinically pyschotic, or someone incapable of feeling anything for others from a condition such as autism aren't affected by taking the life of another.


We've now digressed into chest-beating and the advocacy of righteous killings to rid the world of evil. Anyone who feels that he posesses such wisdom and judgement to pronounce another worthy of death can do it someplace other than here.

This one's done.
 
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