1911 action strength?

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Is the 1911 design strong enough to, in a relatively heavy pistol, take the recoil of a .44 Mag? Fully loaded .45 LC? .454 Casull? .50 AE?

I really think that a custom .454 or .50 AE 10" bull bbl 1911 would be, how do you say, "the biz-mother-effin'-bomb."
 
It's late, I'm tired, and I am no expert on 1911s. But I don't even really understand the question. Even if the design was strong enough, which I doubt, I don't think you could buy or maybe even create such a thing. I hope I'm wrong, and I probably am, but why not just get a Desert Eagle if you want a big semi? Does anyone make big caliber 1911s?
 
Yes - provided that it is made well, of good materials, and properly fitted/sprung.

L.A.R. used to make the "Grizzly," which was a "stretched" 1911 originally made for the .45 Winchester Magnum cartridge, and later for the .50 Action Express. Since they had to make the frame larger to accomodate the longer cartridges, I think they went ahead and beefed everything up somewhat - so it's not really a "true 1911." Barrel lengths were 5.4" and 6.5". I believe the company went out of business in 1999 or 2000.

If you want to soup up a standard 1911, Clark Custom Guns offers kits to convert your 1911 to the .460 Rowland caliber, which is basically a magnum-class .45ACP - the case is thicker and a little bit longer, but the loaded cartridge is still short enough to feed from standard 1911 mags. Ballistic performance is supposed to meet or slightly exceed .44Mag, depending on the load. The conversion kits consist of a compensated barrel chambered for the Rowland cartridge, plus a super-heavy recoil spring to keep the gun from beating itself to death. The compensator is needed, for both recoil control and to help keep the barrel locked to the slide long enough for the chamber pressure to drop to a safe level. However, the .460 Rowland is not for all 1911's - Clark's does not recommend that you install the conversion on anything but a Colt, Kimber or Springfield, lest you batter or crack a lesser-quality frame. I can't see how a well-made Les Baer, Wilson or Caspian frame wouldn't stand the gaff, but you definitely don't want to try converting a Llama, a Sistema, or a Rock Island/Charles Daly.
 
AMT made one

AMT made a 50 cal 1911 if I remember correctly. I had a buddy with one of them, along with an AMT 30 carbine 1911. This was in the mid eighties.

They were both stainless and shot great from what I remember.
 
You can't fit any of those cartridges in a 1911. So there is no answer to the question. The 1911 design can, with a few modifications, handle .44 Magnum-equivalent power levels from .460 Rowland.
 
Here's a pic of the AMT 1911 copy

kymarkh said:
AMT made a 50 cal 1911 if I remember correctly. I had a buddy with one of them, along with an AMT 30 carbine 1911. This was in the mid eighties.

They were both stainless and shot great from what I remember.

AMT 1911 copies came in several calibers. The .30 carbine shot a fireball that was sure to get everyone's attention at the range.
 
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kymarkh said:
AMT 1911 copies came in several calibers. The .30 carbine shot a fireball that was sure to get everyone's attention at the range.

Wow... you've both revived an old topic WITH a relevant post, and made me want a new firearm! Congratulations!
 
MagKnightX said:
Wow... you've both revived an old topic WITH a relevant post, and made me want a new firearm! Congratulations!

Not so much, since AMT stinks. "Craptacular quality" is the phrase I'm looking for.
 
The LAR Grizzly is a well made, stretch version of the venerable Colt/Browning design. Kind of like a limo compared to a standard De Ville. ;)
 
AMT and Quality...

are two words rarely heard in the same sentence, I admit. But my friends .30 carbine AMT is still shooting great after 12 years - and he bought it used. It actually has decent sights and the trigger is not that bad. I hate the grips and if he ever needs parts he is probably in trouble. I have never seen another one other than the .22 mag model that was unreliable and ugly.

Not a 'real' 1911 I suppose, but still a fun gun to shoot at an indoor range!

Kaboom!
 
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