1911 fans: Semi-Custom, or Custom?

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I'd like to hear from the 1911 fans out there that own both semi-custom (Baer/Wilson) type guns, as well as full custom jobs from well known gunsmiths. Which do you like better and why?

I'm fortunate enough to soon own both of the above mentioned guns. I've got a bone stock Les Baer Concept II, as well as a Colt XSE that is currently undergoing a makeover from Mr. Jim Hoag of southern California. For those that don't know, Hoag is one of the legendary 1911 builders as well as an accomplished pistol shooter.

I can't wait to get my gun back from Hoag so that I can compare it to my current standard of excellence which is my Baer. The Baer will be hard to beat, but then again walking in and shaking hands with the man that will soon build your gun one at a time has a sort of wonderful yet intangible benefit.

Which do you like better and why? :)
 
Tit vs Tat

I've always been of the mind that if you're gonna throw 2,000 bucks at a 1911-pattern pistol, why not ante up the extra 500 or so and
go with a full custom from one of the top guns, and have it built like you want it. The drawbacks are that all or most of the really good ones are backlogged, so you'll have to wait longer.
 
Take a look at Ted Yost's 1* series of 1911s at www.yostbonitz.com
(click on "prices" then "packages"). I have one of his 1* Elite 1911s and would highly recommend it.

Ted will also build you an all out custom 1911 to your specs, if you want to go that route. There is a waiting list, but it is usually a year, give or take - not long at all compared to other custom builders; the craftsmanship and reliability of his 1911s is simply outstanding.

You can't go wrong with a Ted Yost 1911, IMHO.
 
I retail the high end and the one man shop guns and have for many, many years.

I post this from listening to my clients wants, waits, and "whooops" in purchase decisions. Just to give you a slight perspective.

Hardest thing to to is WAIT and get what you want. There is a world full of talent and quality product out there but one of the ways to insure you get the best value not the best price is do your research.

Once your research has you in a direction you like then starts the product search. Now look for the product or the best value, Quality product, from a reputable source at what you can afford is the best value.

Remember discounts are always for a reason and your undying gratitude has nothing to do with it.

Price shoppers always have an issue of some kind, the looker bought price not product. Why do you think the return lines are so long after a sale.

How many times have you heard, I got :cuss: but it was "cheaper." The forums are full of those.

Keep price in mind when you compare the top three i.e. Baer, Wilson, Brown.

Compare comparable guns and in line with the research part examine the details, fit, finish, features of what you may be interest in.

Comparable guns for example a Stainless checkered Les Baer, vs a Stainless Checkered Wilson, vs a Stainless Checkered Brown. Now a blue gun vs. a blue steel gun with corrosion protection vs whatever.

If one is "cheaper" and is blue vs. the other stainless. One will corrode in high humidity and the other does not. Remember on a carry piece what is the humidity 3/8" from you body in an IWB holster on the "good" deal on a blued gun vs. polyteflon coated vs stainless when you see rust start. OH yes , I whipe my guns down every night. (that is a once upon a time story)

Remember everything has a cost, a benefit and either advantage or disadvantage.

Then get in to the fine detail on one will have a serrated main spring housing, one will have a 30 lpi, and one will have a blended 30 lpi. One blues steel barrel as standard, (still accurate but now corrosion protection), one uses a fitted stainless match barrel, one makes his own barrels from stainless.

One will service the gun if it is preowned and not "butchered" by some one else. One will answer the phone when asked a question. Yes, most have voice mail but remember the customer service aspect.

One will have a test target that you can see, one or two does not. One takes the risk and says what ammo works for them, one does not. One will.........................................this is the part where you do your research.

That is a small example of what I mean by fine detail and features.

When you make a decision always, I mean always, keep in mind discounts are for a reason and your undying gratitude is NOT it. Price too good to be true......... one small example I have seen numerous times on so called good deals.........make sure you are not getting a preowned cleaned up gun.

Now on one man shop vs the top three.

There are advantages to both and most of all it is time to get what exactly what you want vs a shorter time to get close to what you want.

Hope I have helped a little in your thought process.

Remember my tag line. Do your research but you get what you pay for up front or back end
 
Would you order a full custom to match boxstock semi-custom?

If a semi-custom is a perfect match for the full custom you want then I'd say buy the semi-custom.

Otherwise I'd say get in line for a full custom.

I have a Wilson CQB and a much less than full house but very nice carry gun from a name maker. The carry gun with such compromises as the factory barrel refitted with a new bushing, new fire control parts and such was affordable and in many ways is flat nicer than the Wilson but the Wilson is a nice pistol - my first shot out of the box was a pin wheel ten and the pistol has never failed so I can't complain there. Just the same every time I look at the Wilson I think about options I'd like to have - maybe someday.
 
I own Baers and custom 1911's. Love all of them. Obviously, you can get precisely what you want with a custom-if you're willing to wait for it. I also own a 80's era Hoag commander (on a pre 80 Colt combat commander). It's unbelieveably accurate, has Hoags beavertail GS (his was the first I believe). The attention to detail/fit and finish is not up to "todays standards". Nevertheless, I won't part with it. Enjoy your new pistol.
 
For me the idea of a full custom is from the frame/slide & all. In CA tho, unless the frame is approved by the state, you cannot get one. So, you're really stuck w/ what is technically a semi custom. So, for me, I'll go w/ my XSE that has been worked on & had parts replaced and not having my custom.
 
Full custom all the way, like Tuner said it will only be a couple hundred more and it WILL be a superior product that is just the way you want it.

If I couldn't wait Baer makes an awfully nice 1911......
 
The only semi-custom 1911A1 .45 ACP I can attest too is my very new
Les Baer Thunder Ranch model. Thus far, I have been extremely pleased with
its performance. I realize that I need a LOT MORE quality trigger time behind
this wonderful firearm. One of these days (not real soon), I hope to purchase
a Wilson combat or Ed Brown 1911 type pistol for comparison~!:uhoh: :cool: :D
 
I'm taking the cheaper route of having work done on my 1911A1 Series 80 that I bought a couple years back. Basic trigger job, beavertail and cleaning up the thumb safety.

I figure I'll see what load it likes best, then have the sights done and regulated to that load...
 
You would have to feel an SVI to understand why they cost more than most (and you have to wait close to a year to get one).
 
I have full customs and an Ed Brown Kobra. When I was pondering the Kobra purchase, I was thinking about getting a full custom from a named smith. When I looked at all the features I wanted and priced everything (including the wait) I decided on the Brown, because it met 99% of my wants and was available in weeks as opposed to a year or more, and was at a comparable (if not ultimately better) price.

It all depends on what you want. Some of the semi-customs like the Brown are EXCELLENT in every way. If they have the features you want, and don't come with the substantial wait, they may be the gun for you.

But if you want a true heirloom piece from that one big name smith, put your name on the list and be prepared to wait it out. :)

For the custom, it sure is nice to meet the man building MY gun...to talk to him about every possible option, to have him measure my hand so that he knows how to tweak the grip to fit me better, to talk about which hammer, which sear, what kind of slide serrations, etc. etc. But this comes at a price ($$$ plus time).
 
1911's are more than a gun, They are a religion.So i guess its all about how religious you are;) We 1911ers PRIDE ourselves in these works of art.
 
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