1911 R1 Build

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1911 R1 Build

As I noted in another thread, I was searching for a Mil-Spec 1911 to do a build on. After a lot of great input from the inmates here, I decided upon a Remington 1911 R1.

So to begin this journey, let’s start with why I chose this 1911 and initial impressions.

As Mil-Spec 1911’s go there are quite a lot being made today and everyone has their opinion on which is best. There is the regular debate on how they are made, components used, casting, metallurgy and a myriad of other points of conjecture. Some made by the truly informed and some by the completely uninformed.

I am the latter.

I am not a gunsmith nor do I have any other credential that would make me anything more. I am an enthusiast who dabbles in simple modifications. I have done some writing in the past (freelance) for a few online gun publications. Typically reviews.

So take everything I am going to say here with a grain of salt. I am no expert. Learned, yea maybe, but that is it

Selection

Now, why did I chose this 1911? Well, I did my research mostly. Talked to you guys and did a bit more research. What I will tell you from my research is that there are quite a few options that I think would make a good starting point. Notice I did not say perfect, as each has its pro’s and con’s. But ultimately, I narrowed my search to Springfield, Remington and Rock Island (RIA)

I think any of these are good starting points when it comes to a Mil-Spec 1911. You will pay a bit more for the Springfield but it is the one the gunsmiths I talked to opted for most. Maybe due to name, maybe due to reputation. The RIA has both strong detractors and strong advocates. The Remington, to be honest, had the least number of comments.

So why did I pick it?

Well, mostly, availability. I looked at 5 or 6 1911’s at one of my local gun stores and I liked both its functional feel and affordability. I could probably paid $100 less for an RIA or $100 more for a Springfield. This seemed to hit the middle quite well. Furthermore, there is not a lot of negative you will find in online reviews of the Remington.

Lastly, I thought about my Remington 870 pump sitting in my closet. Probably the least expensive gun I have ever purchased. I think I got it when I was about 18, at Wallie World for maybe $180. Yes, this was truly back in the day.

It is a cheap, commodity pump shot gun. I now have a very nice Mossberg and an Italian made over and under. The 870 still gets the majority of my and my son’s usage. It just works, and works and works. Truly a work horse of a shotgun.

I reasoned that if this Remington 1911 R1 was half the gun that 870 is, then it would be a good choice.

That said, I do not think you could go wrong with any of these three.

Impressions

When I got the R1 home I summarily tore it apart to give it a through cleaning and once over.

In general the cycling of the slide and checked play in the gun proved to provide, for the most part, a nicely fit product.

Mostly, I say, because the trigger has a bit of slop and rattle in it and when I broke everything down the slide rails had a bit of light rust.

Now any rust on a brand new gun would typically be a show stopper for me. It would get an express trip right back to the gun dealer. However, I checked myself and reasoned that this was Mil-Spec. It does not have a high end coating on it and might be susceptible to a bit of rust.

Furthermore, I reasoned, one of the first things I will do is have some trigger guard relief and checkering work done on the frame. I will have the ejection port opened up a bit as well, and I would like to get either a grey or green high wear coating put on both. Thus, the light rust, right now was manageable and nothing a good bit of oil on a regular basis could not remedy

The trigger, like I said needs to go, but I am not sure what I want yet so I am going to live with what is there. While it had some slop in it, overall pressure and break were very acceptable.

Looking over the frame it was pretty tidy in general. I will want to deburr it a bit and get some of the sharp edges removed. I figure I will get all this done by someone who knows what they are doing removing just the right amount of metal.

The rest of the gun checked out perfectly. The main issue I saw was the amount of work that will be needed on the feed ramp. This and a bit of barrel tuning will also be in order, but in due time.

Once cleaned, I cycled rounds through just to make sure that everything was working and I had no disappointments.

Stuff I Had

As I looked through my parts bin I noticed I had some left overs from the 1911’s I used to have. Two pieces stood out as possible really easy first steps.

Wilson Combat “Group Gripper” 2-Piece Stainless Guide Rod – let me say that I have no real dog in the hunt as it pertains to no guide rod, verses solid guide rod verses 2-piece guide rod. I don't even remember when or why I bought this. But I had it and here was my reasoning for using it for this build; I am not a fan of a free floating spring. Today's springs will doubtfully crimp or bend much in this case, but having that rod there to keep it straight just seems…right to me. Second, I like the look and the little extra weight it provides to help manage recoil just a bit more. Lastly, is the 2-piece guide rod will aid in take down just a bit, and to be quite honest I have never liked how 1911's break down. So any improvement here is a plus in my mind.

Wilson Combat Mag Well – so I am not sure if I am a fan of these, especially with the stock flat sole 1911 magazines. They tend to be a pain in the hand to seat quickly. However, I also tend to put bumpers on my magazines. So I had it and figured why not! Secondly, while I would tend to go all stainless to offset the dark body of the gun, I wanted something I have seen before that I think is a really nice subtle look. That is a polished black on a matt finish. So with this you will be seeing me use polished black accent levers against my desired great or green frame and slide coating. I think that will make this gun really stand out.

So that’s it for now. I will be providing updates as this progresses. Don't expect them to come quickly (unless someone wants to financially sponsor this build – I am open to putting your name or company logo on every article I write if you are!)

Hope you enjoyed. Please feel free to comment, provide input or heckle.

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Harleytoo

A few years back I was looking for a basic 1911; didn't need or want a lot of bells or whistles. Pretty much a range gun with occasional use in the home defense role and I didn't want to spend a ton of money. Looked at RIA, Remington, Springfield Armory, and Colt. The gun shop I went to had a lot of 1911s to choose from, both new and used, and I narrowed my choice down to the Remington R1 and the Colt Government.

The gun shop owner, who also builds custom 1911s, was really impressed by the current crop of Colts, saying they were some of the best built pistols he had seen coming from them in a long time. Fit and finish were outstanding, barrel to slide and slide to frame fit were really tight and the trigger was very clean and light. I went with the Colt and have been totally satisfied with my selection.

Looking forward to seeing how your R1 custom build goes.

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No heckles here, I have to say I like the R1, too. So much so that last year I bought three! I just couldn't resist the $75 mail in rebates Remington had along with sale prices at Sportsman's Warehouse. So an R1, R1S and R1 Commander found a new home and I've been pleased with each one. I noticed the rebate still is in effect.

When I picked up the R1 I loved how it felt. Then I tried the Ruger, Colt and Springfield but there was something about the R1. I finally figured out the unusual combination of the short trigger and flat mainspring housing was my cup of tea. And the thin grips. In fact I put a flat MSH on my 1976 Colt 1911A1 and sure enough I liked it better with the standard short trigger. I also found some R1 grips that got my old Colt feeling like the R1.

The R1 does have a few warts but overall it's a fine 1911 for the money. Accuracy is excellent due to the barrel and tight bushing. The main concern is the angled off vertical impact surface on the frame which puts strain on the barrel link lugs. This could pose a problem in a high round count pistol but not so much for average use. Why Remington beveled off the VIS is a mystery since they won't say why they did it.

Putting on a beavertail grip safety might require more than average fitting because the thumb safety hole is slightly low on the frame. I've seen complaints on this upgrade. A Remington beavertail may help if you're going to do this upgrade. Personally, I don't get hammer bite with a basic grip safety so didn't upgrade my Remingtons. For me they're near perfect as is.

Enjoy yours!
 
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Quentin, thank you for that intel on the beaver tail and the lugs. Yea, I doubt this will see high round counts so the lugs should be fine, I think.
 
Quentin

I'm another big fan of the flat mainspring housing on my 1911s. Feels just right for my smaller size hand and all but my Springfield Armory M1911A1 are configured that way.
 
I will probably go just the opposite direction and put one of the arched MSH to give my big mitt a bit more purchase.
 
One of the biggest and first decision steps I need to make is what color to Cerakote the frame and slide. I plan on having a bit of work done on both and will need to get it recoated.

Now, my plan is to utilize gloss black components (back strap, beavertail, hammer, safety and levers). Cerakote has a huge variety of colors but I am considering one of their many variations in either;

- Green (OD or Olive variant)
- Grey (gun metal variant, not light)

What do you think, Green or Grey?

Edit: I am leaning heavily toward Grey.
 
I'm not in to painting 1911s so my three R1s are staying stock black (except of course the R1S came stock in stainless). I'm also not in to the long recoil spring guides so will stay with the 100+ year proven short guide! Most of my pistols remain factory stock, except for better sights on some.

Now if you'd asked about plastic, well I love my FDE AR furniture and FDE Glock 19 and G26 frames. Factory built ARs for sure scream to be modified. That's why many of us build our own with the parts we really want.

I must say The Marines' Sand colored 1911 Rail Gun sure looks great!
 
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Look at the Springfield MC 1911 to get an idea what the OD and Gloss Black would look like. I had a GSG1911-22 with a painted-on finish that wore off by laying on a felt pad in my cabinet. I bead blasted the whole thing, and found a dark grey alloy finish underneath. It looked so good, I never refinished it. I vote dark grey with black accents. I think it would also look good finished off with grey/black laminate grips, my .02

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Yea that bead-blasted look I like as well. I might just try a grey parkerizing.

Quentin, the idea is less to "paint" it and more to protect it. If I am already seeing some light rail rust a tough finish of some sort should protect from this.

Of course, I need to do a bit of research on the existing Black Oxide finish.
 
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