Closer to .250" for complete link down, but that distance is not sufficient to complete the chambering of another round. Getting started is not the same as completing the cycle, and falling short.
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Closer to .250" for complete link down, but that distance is not sufficient to complete the chambering of another round. Getting started is not the same as completing the cycle, and falling short.
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.250 for complete linkdown to the bed. Less for complete lug disengagement, depending on how tall the upper lugs are.
True, but does not mean the slide will cycle enough to eject and load a fresh round. That takes more momentum.
The question is not answered.
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Log...You've got people on this thread telling you that it's happened to them. I understand that there was a thread on 1911 forum by a guy that had it happen to him. You've got others here telling you that they've seen it happen. You've got two that are telling you that it can be arranged with a little time and effort...and that they've done it.
I don't know what else it'll take. I give up.
I don't know what else it'll take. I give up.
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I found it with Unique and a Hensley & Gibbs #68 of my own makin'. I cast'em a little softer than most commercial bullets. Nothing means everything, but everything means something.
Most of the ones that I've had reports of were loaded with the same bullet and Bullseye...and always on a progressive loader.
I did hear of one...but had no contact with the shooter...that happened with Wally World Winchester ball...but the bullet didn't drive in deep enough to let the next round completely chamber.
There's a pretty narrow window with this thing. Might take a while.
Most of the ones that I've had reports of were loaded with the same bullet and Bullseye...and always on a progressive loader.
I did hear of one...but had no contact with the shooter...that happened with Wally World Winchester ball...but the bullet didn't drive in deep enough to let the next round completely chamber.
There's a pretty narrow window with this thing. Might take a while.
Didn't say it didn't happen, nor that it can't. Just asked how, I don't believe the contradiction in energy does. I also find it interesting we have just about every wild elusive experience to mankind documented in film and video, but no squib cycling in a fresh round in a 1911. Still, I do believe it could happen, just not near as predictable as has been stated. Why not further the 1911 experience to all and video and explain the requirements for it to happen.
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I've tried to explain the requirements, and I probably don't have all of them in spite of wracking my brain 'till my head hurts. I only know that it can...it does...and it happens much more frequently than you'd suspect. I'd heard of it many times before I actually saw it. Like so many other things...they go unreported outside of a small circle of friends, especially if it doesn't result in a damaged gun.
Like you, I couldn't understand how it could happen...didn't believe that it could, and when I saw it happen, I pondered on it long and hard until I had it figured out. It may not contain all the details, but it's the only explanation I could come up with.
Like you, I couldn't understand how it could happen...didn't believe that it could, and when I saw it happen, I pondered on it long and hard until I had it figured out. It may not contain all the details, but it's the only explanation I could come up with.
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Good.
Just for the record, I think it's a good explanation as to *why* it can happen, though it may not include the mechanics as to exactly *how* it happens. Obviously, I can't be a tiny guy inside the gun watching it in slow-motion...so the details are a little sketchy.
Before I retired, I was a troubleshooter and a repairman on high-speed production machinery, and I had a knack for figuring things out. A reputation, actually. Many times, an operator would come to me and describe something that his machine was doing, and I'd tell him that the machine wouldn't do that. Yet, when I went to the machine...I was standing there watching the machine do something that it wouldn't do...couldn't do. It was my job to figure out why it was doing what it couldn't do...and fix it.
I was also one of only three repairmen on all three shifts who had full access to the machine shop. That proved to be handy and interesting, and much "government " work was done on the weekends.
Just for the record, I think it's a good explanation as to *why* it can happen, though it may not include the mechanics as to exactly *how* it happens. Obviously, I can't be a tiny guy inside the gun watching it in slow-motion...so the details are a little sketchy.
Before I retired, I was a troubleshooter and a repairman on high-speed production machinery, and I had a knack for figuring things out. A reputation, actually. Many times, an operator would come to me and describe something that his machine was doing, and I'd tell him that the machine wouldn't do that. Yet, when I went to the machine...I was standing there watching the machine do something that it wouldn't do...couldn't do. It was my job to figure out why it was doing what it couldn't do...and fix it.
I was also one of only three repairmen on all three shifts who had full access to the machine shop. That proved to be handy and interesting, and much "government " work was done on the weekends.
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That's just it, Jim. I was in maintenance...
Bmac1949
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I had a squib do this in my 1911. I was shooting 200gr swc's over 5gr of Bullseye. The bullet went far enough down the barrel that the slide didn't return to battery when the next round was chambered. I didn't hear or feel anything different at the time and had no idea what happened until I broke the gun down to look through the barrel. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what happened there but you all have surely shed some light as to what could have happened. 1911 Tuner describes what could have happened. "If the bullet moves, the slide moves. The slide only has to move a quarter inch to drop the barrel. Once that happens, the bullet's location is irrelevant. If there's a little pressure left in the system, it escapes through the open breech...giving a "POP" that leads the shooter to believe that the round fired normally. The slide moves, and the shooter believes that the gun has recoiled normally. If the bullet goes deep enough to allow another round to chamber...and he's in the trigger-pull mode...he pulls the trigger".
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Yup. Happens a lot more that we suspect.
velocette
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Not to disagree with anyone, but I have had two squib experiences with my Bullseye target tuned 1911. In both instances, the bullet left the barrel, the action did not cycle. The bullet in one instance hit the bottom of the target at 50 ft, the second instance the bullet was not observed. (I was denied an alilbi string for both)
Both instances were with my handloads & my cast 200 gr SWC bullets. Whether there was no powder or very little powder is in the cases is unknown.
Roger
Both instances were with my handloads & my cast 200 gr SWC bullets. Whether there was no powder or very little powder is in the cases is unknown.
Roger
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Sometimes that happens, too. It can go either way. The ones that don't make it out of the barrel are the ones most likely to cycle the slide.
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I have had it happen to me and we fond the problem to be a split case .
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