1980's Remington 1100 fitted w/ 22" smoothbore, rifle-sights barrel

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So I've acquired this sweet-condition 1980's Remington 1100 12 gauge (pictured above the 1100 LT-20 Special) fitted w/ 22" smoothbore, rifle-sights barrel... took it to the range yesterday after a cursory inspection and a drop of oil on each action bar...

The gun cycles fine with standard 00 buck (Federal bulk 9-pellet) and full-power, 1600 fps slugs but it won't cycle Fiocchi 1150 fps 00 buck or their reduced-recoil slugs.

Is this due to the gas ports sizing in the barrel (the barrel being basically a slug barrel)? or can it also be due to the fact that the gun might need a thorough strip and clean of any older, thickened, lubricants?

Thanks for any assistance.
 
Any gun new to you should get a thorough cleaning anyway to look for exactly what you surmise might be the issue. I would especially clean the gas ports.
 
A field strip and basic cleaning is definitely in order.

But I still wouldn't be surprised if it won't cycle the reduced recoil stuff, even cleaned and lubed.
 
Reduced-recoil slugs is your issue. 1100's not cycling with all ammo is why there is an 11-87. Buckshot is for fire fights in phone booths anyway. Far too unreliable.
 
Clean it in detail and lube , replace the gas O ring if any doubt. This gun "should " cycle reduced recoil slugs ok. You could always SLIGHTLY open the gas port in barrel by running next size up letter wire drill.
 
As I recall someone saying once, there is a rubber gasket that should be helping the gas piston form a seal. If it's gone bad, the gun may have trouble cycling and also will also vent a concussive blast out the ejection port when fired. Recoil may also be stouter. My father's 1100 has the latter two symptoms, but still cycles flawlessly. He doesn't mind it, though, and I bought my own shotgun, a Saiga 12, so I wouldn't have to deal with it anymore.
 
Cleaning is always important, but I wouldn't expect an 1100 to cycle lower than standard power rounds 100%. It is a design that goes back 50 years, and the lightest loads it was meant for would be a standard target load of 1 1/8oz of shot at 1200fps. Some people have enlarged the gas ports for reliable cycling with light loads, but if you go that route you risk beating the receiver to death with full power ammo.
 
Buckshot is for fire fights in phone booths?

I have never heard that one before must be a Canadian sayin' :).

Nice find on the 1100 Slug Guns. Just be careful opening up the gas ports. It will allow the lighter loads to cycle but you will peen/beat up the receiver possibly to the point of non-function when shooting the heavy stuff.

There are several good articles a google search away about specialized cleaning procedures, spring replacement intervals, etc. for the 1100 that will increase longevity and reliability.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Nice looking guns. I have a straight stock set on my LT-20 at present and really like it.
Cleaning thoroughly is never a bad idea, but the issue is probably the slug barrel. They utilize larger ports to compensate for the shorter barrel length, but they are still designed for shooting full power slugs. It is designed as a hunting weapon. For defense just get a regular short barrel with a bead, or shoot full power loads. A low recoil buckshot is no different than a mouse fart target shell. The 11-87 slug guns also use un compensated barrels, just like the 1100. A slug barrel for buckshot is a poor choice anyway for anything but close range work due to the minimal choke they usually employ. I would not open the gas ports. It will work just fine right up until the point it cracks the receiver. With that barrel it is a specialized weapon that will do well at what it was designed to do, but it isn't close to an all around choice.
Full power slugs do not generate nearly as much gas pressure oomph as a 2-3/4" Magnum lead load, which is what the regular barrels are designed to handle.
My 1963 Model 1100 with over 115,000 rounds through it, still has all it's original springs, but if you want to join the spring changer's guild, the economy will appreciate it. It also has the O ring I installed in 1967 when I replaced the original metal V ring so I wouldn't lose it. Call it a test in progress. The O ring does not move in service, it is a static seal. Most of them get damaged when disassembling or assembling the gun, or when someone uses a cheap plumber's O ring instead of a Viton one and the heat and oil eat it. I do have spares; too cheap not to. I have ruined two rolling over them with the chair on the concrete floor. I hate that.
 
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1100's are notoriously picky when the barrel is shortened below 24", that is why they stuck with 22" barrels instead od 20" or 18" . Also if the barrel is 2 3/4 as almost all 1100 slugguns were, the port is the same size as a normal 2 3/4" gun, the 3" guns have smaller ports. Opening the port .003-.005" is NOT gonna "batter" anything and might make all the difference in the world for 100% reliable low base spec loads.Make sure gun is not gummed up and the viton o ring is in good shape first. Reduced recoil buck and slug loads are NOT mouse fart loads FWIW, they are equal to the traditional low base field loads. I wish old Preacherman was around to dispell the 1100 rumors. 1100 are and were (by me too) campaigned heavily in 3 gun and duck pits and are near the top in favor for low recoil , they flat out work and are very tuneable.
 
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Thank you, gentlemen.

I had a hunch (call it my command of the obvious) that fitted with the slug barrel, it is indeed a specialized hunting weapon as Virginian said. It's a slug gun. I won't open the barrel ports; I'll leave that alone and use this configuration as it was intended: for standard (as opposed to any reduced-velocity-) shotgun slugs. [Edit: thank you, Gordon! for your input... I may heed your advice down the road apiece.]

My range trip was to see for myself what this gun liked, loadwise. It was an experiment, but when I couldn't have my cake and EAT it too, I had to post here and ask why. Heh. I have a couple of Wingmasters I have used with reduced recoil buckshot and slug.

I'll give this 1100 a thorough going-over this weekend. Thanks again for your replies.

:)
 
Buckshot is for fire fights in phone booths anyway. Far too unreliable.

Huh? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this, but you have me intrigued. What makes buckshot unreliable? and for that matter, unreliable at what, exactly?
 
I have not checked them all, but the gas ports on slug barrels I have checked are bigger than the normal field or trap barrel, and almost as big as a Skeet barrel. Jerry Kuhnhausen found the same thing. The primary difference with the Magnum barrels is they utilize one gas port instead of two. I was wrong calling the reduced recoil loads mouse fart loads; another multi-tasking failure, sorry.
As to whether or not the receiver will get battered by opening the ports, that depends on how much one opens the ports, and what they shoot through the gun afterwards, and what shape the buffer is in. And the quality of the buffers has varied over the half century since they were introduced. I do know the only cracked receivers I have seen were on guns that also had enlarged ports. Also, you will often see differences in performance with light loads between different supposedly identical barrels. This is very common with Magnum barrels. Some will only run with Magnum shells, and some work fine with 1-1/4 ounce field loads, and the trait goes from one gun to another with the barrel. I believe this is due to the fact that the shape of the inside of the gas port varies slightly, and that makes a big difference as soon as the gas velocity drops below supersonic, but there is no way to measure that. I do know that you can often get more gain by utilizing a slightly smaller than port size drill bit and wallowing it while turning so that you remove some material from both ends of the port than by straight drilling it out.
I always advise anyone to watch the buffer and impact area at the rear of the receiver and make sure you do not have metal to metal contact. As long as you don't have that, there will be no problems. The greatest risk in my opinion is when someone puts a regular 2-3/4" barrel on a Magnum receiver and starts shooting very heavy 2-3/4" loads. That heavier Magnum action sleeve can get going too fast.
I do not spread "rumors" about 1100s. Yes, one can "tune" the action. But, unless you are doing something outside the norm, you shouldn't have to. And let's face it, how many people really have a clue what they are dealing with; they just do what someone told them without really understanding why. The big problem is when one does that tuning to get the gun to run with a specific load or a shortened barrel they often render the gun unsuitable for what it was originally intended to do. All well and good, it's your gun, but unless you clearly mark the barrel, then later when you sell it someone else ends up with a problem. I do not mean you personally, I do not know what you do, but we both know a lot of people will screw up a barrel and then put it on ebay, buyer beware, and then someone else ends up bitching about that lousy 1100 they have.
I like 1100s, a lot. I still have the one I bought in 1963. About 40 other semi autos have come and gone, but the only semis I have left are 1100s/11-87s. I hit what I am shooting at with them. They won't go as long between cleanings as some of the newer designs, but they have never not gone long enough for me. They are not as flexible as some of the newer designs, but I have different guns for different uses. They aren't as light as some newer guns, but although I am far, far, far from the strong safety I once was, I don't find myself having to resort to dragging them. And when you are using them to do what they were intended to do, I don't think there is a better gun going.
 
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Now this is a THREAD. Thank you again for your knowledgeable, experienced replies. Fwiw, I doubt that Gordon had anyone here in particular in mind when he said he wished old Preacherman were here to dispel any 1100 rumors...

Too, I chuckled at "spring changers guild"... I've slicked up some leverguns and replaced springs on a Model 92... not a simple task, but there it is, I like the gun now and when giving it a thorough cleaning there are a couple of extra steps necessary to reassemble it.

Virginian also brought up a very good point as to the sensitivity of a gas port system... I know from automotive carburetion that when jetting to optimize mixtures it's not necessarily the diameter of the restriction that determines flow but ALSO the length of that restriction. Either way, it's interesting stuff, and any modification bears a serious pondering beforehand.

Again, at this point I don't want to alter the barrel on this 1100. I do know that until the gun's action is optimized with a cleaning, even a "blueprinting" if that term can be used at all in gunsmithing... or "slicking" or smoothing the action can go a long way to reduce some friction which would improve it's cycling performance. I reiterate that I have shorter-barreled pump guns for buckshot in a personal defense role... and their original vent rib hunting and skeet barrels for harvesting game or for sporting clays. What I should be on the lookout for is a skeet barrel for this 1100!
 
Oh good 200Apples, someone with some mechanical aptitude. (I am NOT being sarcastic.) Don't worry, an 1100 is nowhere near as sensitive as a Holley, much less a mass air flow sensor. :) It was designed to not require precise hand fitted clearances of all machined parts, which also made it able to be produced less expensively. Two traits which forever earned it and the 870 the eternal disdain of some Model 12, Model 37, and Auto 5 lovers because they ran them out of the marketplace.
Some semi auto manufacturers recommend a break in period with heavy loads, during which time any new roughness should wear in, but I have never found any to be needed with an 1100. They will only get a very little slicker with use. The original design was pretty good, in that the only two functional component changes I can think of in 52 years are several different designs of fore end supports over the years, and the switch to a wider 11-87 sized extractor some years ago. Only part I have ever broken was one extractor in 1982. They switched the operating handle retention system to the 11-87 design but that was just for simplification I think.
Check ebay for parts. Used to be some real deals on there, but since it has gotten more popular a lot of people are looking to get rich quick. But, if you are patient you can often find a decent deal. Alas, the days of new old stock in the box stock sets with good wood for $53.50 are long gone. I do not mean to be too hard on the spring changers, because I have seen a couple of misshapen action springs that really did need changing, and a lot of rusty ones on duck guns. I don't have a handgun without Wolff springs, myself. Neglect cleaning that action spring and tube on an 1100/11-87 at least once a year and it will bite you. Some powder residue does get in there. Good luck.
 
I inherited my fathers 1100 3" magnum with many days in the goose pit and I continue to give it yearly work-outs starting with turbo charged wild Pheasants bucking South Dakota winds. It requires good cleanings and most recently a new Viton O-ring when it no longer cycled some wimpy loads. Other than that it has eaten just everything I put through it with style.
 
My 70's 1100 26" IC barrel cycles 3/4 oz 12 gauge loads just fine. I think it had the original gasket on it for the whole time. I just changed it out (about $1/each in 5 packs).
For reduced velocity loads, make sure you have enough fast powder to build up the pressure in the 9000-11,000 psi range. I need 18.6 - 19.1 grains of Red Dot to get enough pressure behind that light load and get a good clean burn with a light but crisp recoil. Lower than that and I occasionally get bloopers in cold weather with primers weaker than Fed 209A's or CCI 209M's.
 
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