2017 Winter - Gunslingers Magazine - author uses Trail Boss smokeless powder in C&B revolver

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This guy aint doing any favors for our hobby...
He has no warning, at all, against using smokeless powder in C&B Revolvers.

Excerpt from The London Colt by Richard Venola page 72:

"Loading a cap and ball revolver is an inexact science, with errant powder grains refusing to in the cylinder, metering issues with the flask, and ball compression irregularities on the powder. Still, I managed to average 1,048 fps with Goex, 1,039 fps with Pyrodex, and 409 fps with Trail Boss.

The Remington caps I was using simply didn't have enough umph to ignite the Trail Boss, and I could see burning little donuts flying like sparks through the Oehler's reflectors. Trail Boss is a fabulous product for cartridges in black powder replica guns. The actual powder grains are shaped like tiny donuts; the idea is that even though they are smokeless nitrocellulose, you can't get enough into a case to generate too much pressure. You also can't get the stubborn little donuts to meter properly in the powder flask and have to fill the chambers with a rolled paper funnel. Great product - wrong application.

Almost every percussion cap ruptured, with fragments cluttering the action and blocking the cylinder rotation. They really need to use heavier and better brass in the manufacturing. I must search the Dixie Catalog for alternatives..."


Some unknowing shooter is going to read the above and think - hmm lets try crushing those grains of Trail Boss to really get them in the chambers or better yet how about some Blue Dot?
 
It's my understanding that Trail Boss is designed and intended for C&B and cartridge BP pistols.
 
From the Hodgdon website :
Never substitute any smokeless powder for Black Powder or any Black Powder substitute.

That would include Trail Boss

IronHand
 
Not only that Drobs, but Hodgdon nowhere mentions it as a black powder substitute. Only as "suitable for Cowboy Action shooting".
Almost every percussion cap ruptured, with fragments cluttering the action and blocking the cylinder rotation. They really need to use heavier and better brass in the manufacturing. I must search the Dixie Catalog for alternatives...
So, that guy not only uses a wrong product for the wrong application, but somehow the manufacturers are to blame? Seems to me that he is covering the definition of "idiot" with a 100% success...

Ironhand54 was quicker...
 
Oohra, Trail Boss is intended for what are referred to as "mouse fart loads" by cowboy action shooters. It was never intended for use in C&B revolvers or any other black powder weapon.

Regarding the magazine writer I'll simply quote Forrest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does". I should think that the writer has opened up himself as well as the magazine he writes for to a very serious liability issue. I'm surprised the editor let that make it to publication.

NEVER any smokeless powder in a black powder weapon, NEVER.
 
Oohra, Trail Boss is intended for what are referred to as "mouse fart loads" by cowboy action shooters. It was never intended for use in C&B revolvers or any other black powder weapon.

Regarding the magazine writer I'll simply quote Forrest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does". I should think that the writer has opened up himself as well as the magazine he writes for to a very serious liability issue. I'm surprised the editor let that make it to publication.

NEVER any smokeless powder in a black powder weapon, NEVER.

AllI I can figure is they don't have editors anymore. I can't see Mike Beliveau letting this article go to print.
There's also a Uberti Hickok 1858 article in this magazine that has lots of bs - old hashed out hyperbole in it. The whole magazine is disappointing.
 
Just wondering, is this the same guy that wrote the article about using Trail Boss in C&B revolvers? Again, just wondering.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/ex-editor-relieved-arizona-murder-charges-dropped/

Holy crap - that's the same guy and it would explain the following from the article:

"I took the beat-up London to the Silver State Range outside of Beauty, Nev...

Beauty has a crew of Western re-enacters, the "Cowboys and Floozies" and one of them, retired lawman and former Jarhead Bill Davis, was kind enough to shoot the London for me. We both noticed that the long 7.5-inch barrel sustains recoil, so no muzzle rise is noticeable.

"It's a heavy pistol, but the barrel still comes up a lot," Davis said."

I was wondering to myself why wouldn't the author of this article shoot the gun for himself.
Answer - he's under indictment for murder.
 
Oohrah, the second part of your post just struck me. You are absolutly correct, Trail Boss is suitable for cartridges that were originally designed for black powder. Where the problem lies is that some shooters think that since Trail Boss is ok for 45 Colt for example, it would only be ok in a 45 Colt weapon originally made for black powder and that is not the case. Black powder only in weapons designed for black powder. I know some will say they do this or they do that and it's all good. To them I say good luck, you just may need it.
 
I bought the magazine also, should have saved my money.
Still talking about switching cylinders as reloads as if this really happened in real life.
 
If you look at the load/pressure charts Trail Boss, while producing "mouse fart loads" tends to have higher pressures. Also, it does not work well if compressed, which is what would happen in a percussion revolver.
I'd say the shooters in this article were lucky nothing bad happened.
 
Did it suggest switching cylinders as in one cylinder for BP and the other for smokeless?
 
If you look at the load/pressure charts Trail Boss, while producing "mouse fart loads" tends to have higher pressures. Also, it does not work well if compressed, which is what would happen in a percussion revolver.
I'd say the shooters in this article were lucky nothing bad happened.
It works "too well" when compressed. Compressing Trailboss is a bad bad plan. Trailboss is a relatively fast burning powder even within the world of fast pistol powders. When you start compressing it those cute little Cheerios shaped grains of powder start breaking and guess what, your burn rate increase even more since you are exposing more surface area of the grain to combust. Bad plan all around.

Trailboss is a really cool powder, I love it in 38 special for IDPA and had fun with playing around with it for subsonic 450 Bushmaster loads but you got to treat it right and compressing it into a Cap and Ball revolver is not how it should be treated.
 
Did it suggest switching cylinders as in one cylinder for BP and the other for smokeless?

No just the one Uberti 1851 that looks like he tried his hand at antiqueing. Basically he handed a hand grenade to another shooter.
 
Gun rags are for the birds. Haven't bought one in at least 5 years.

Guns of the Old West Magazine is worth a subscription. The PX / NEX on the base carries it and I've been buying it for the past 8 years while overseas contracting. Lots of interesting articles.
 
Guns of the Old West Magazine is worth a subscription. The PX / NEX on the base carries it and I've been buying it for the past 8 years while overseas contracting. Lots of interesting articles.

Yeah Mike B. makes that one worth reading.
 
Ex editor of Guns and Ammo should know better. Was given a mistrial in shooting death of his neighbor. Didn't know he was still "gunriting". Probably shouldn't be. If, in fact, this Richard Venola is the same Richard Venola who did write great back page editorials for G&A before the "great" Dick Metcalf who found out, as did Jim Zumbo, that you can't have an opinion counter to that of the gun culture masses.
 
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