2024 Hodgdon Annual Manual

That's what they all say!

Oh, yeah, uh, reloading manuals...

...Richard Lee's manuals might be for you if you're into stories!
I am a reader. Pages were falling out of the Lee first edition and the second just isn't the same. Hornady eight is wore out and the eleventh I belive is in and I'm unsure to purchase. Nosler and Barnes have great stories. Hodgdon has been leaving out a few of my favorite calibers. And has been a let down. The website is trash and I used it a lot on my phone while in the basement over the years. Not one improvement just change to be changing. Lyman is down to earth hi quality reading from way back before computers. So I resemble your remark. One night owl to another.
 
Does the 2024 Hodgdon manual still include some shotgun data and if so, is the data still heavy on Clays and International, even tho those two are no longer available?

Also find it almost falling down funny that nearly every load manual still includes data for 6mm Rem, which would suggest it to be very popular, yet it is almost impossible to buy brass or ammo for it. There seems to be a disconnect. Somebody........I'm thinking Starline.......ought to be making brass for it. There are a lot of those rifles still out there.
 
Does the 2024 Hodgdon manual still include some shotgun data and if so, is the data still heavy on Clays and International, even tho those two are no longer available?

Also find it almost falling down funny that nearly every load manual still includes data for 6mm Rem, which would suggest it to be very popular, yet it is almost impossible to buy brass or ammo for it. There seems to be a disconnect. Somebody........I'm thinking Starline.......ought to be making brass for it. There are a lot of those rifles still out there.
yes, some shotgun info.
 
Does the 2024 Hodgdon manual still include some shotgun data and if so, is the data still heavy on Clays and International, even tho those two are no longer available?

Also find it almost falling down funny that nearly every load manual still includes data for 6mm Rem, which would suggest it to be very popular, yet it is almost impossible to buy brass or ammo for it. There seems to be a disconnect. Somebody........I'm thinking Starline.......ought to be making brass for it. There are a lot of those rifles still out there.
Funny you mention the 6mm Rem. The last Hodg manual I bought. Can't remember the date, but relatively recent, has data for such powerhouse cartridges as .30 TC and 6x47, but has dropped the 6.5x55 and .300 Savage.
 
Funny you mention the 6mm Rem. The last Hodg manual I bought. Can't remember the date, but relatively recent, has data for such powerhouse cartridges as .30 TC and 6x47, but has dropped the 6.5x55 and .300 Savage.
One year they left out trap door loads, really!! "But it's on the web sight" Which is the pits on my phone
 
If one can judge a book by it's cover, I'm going to guess Clays and International have been dropped in favor of Perfect Pattern and High Gun?


And Ramshot Grand? Not sure what the demand is for one more obscure powder that is never available.
 
Also if you like reading about some one slapping their own backs over & over & over & over again.
I use many equipment manuals. Many. Reloading is so simple an activity that everything is written down. I relax by reading the stories and procedures in Barnes , lee , Nosler , all the Lyman books, powder manuals, bullet manuals. All that combined is what I draw upon when deciding which way to go. There is so much good info in the Lee books that if more people could read instead of being so arrogant as to put down what others read a vast majority of reloading questions wouldn't be asked in the reloading heading. The lee and the Lyman cast book is the most useful to any beginner. I'm not including competition people. That's a whole different level. Conversations I stay out of. Some need to act arrogant to strangers which is a whole different hilarious situation. Yesterday I was reading about a person looking for load data for a certain lead bullet for 41 mag. 215gr I believe. Well it's in the lee book. 215 lead loads. So many questions about bullets not mentioned in load manuals. In the lee book it's stated when no data ,use next weight up. So simple a cave man can do it. But how many lost soul's don't read the simplest of reloading books. Then they are forced to rely on strangers. Some of which make a mountain out of a mole hill. So ya at one time Richard Lee knew way more than you and helped advance this "hobby"
 
Does the 2024 Hodgdon manual still include some shotgun data and if so, is the data still heavy on Clays and International, even tho those two are no longer available?

yes, some shotgun info.

Perfect Pattern (new), Titewad, Clays, 700-X, High Gun (new), International, Competition, WST, Super Handicap, Longshot, Universal are the powders listed…

Cheddite 209, Fed 209A, Rem 209P, Win 209, CCI 209, CCI 209M, Fiocchi 616 are the primers listed…
 
I use many equipment manuals. Many. Reloading is so simple an activity that everything is written down. I relax by reading the stories and procedures in Barnes , lee , Nosler , all the Lyman books, powder manuals, bullet manuals. All that combined is what I draw upon when deciding which way to go. There is so much good info in the Lee books that if more people could read instead of being so arrogant as to put down what others read a vast majority of reloading questions wouldn't be asked in the reloading heading. The lee and the Lyman cast book is the most useful to any beginner. I'm not including competition people. That's a whole different level. Conversations I stay out of. Some need to act arrogant to strangers which is a whole different hilarious situation. Yesterday I was reading about a person looking for load data for a certain lead bullet for 41 mag. 215gr I believe. Well it's in the lee book. 215 lead loads. So many questions about bullets not mentioned in load manuals. In the lee book it's stated when no data ,use next weight up. So simple a cave man can do it. But how many lost soul's don't read the simplest of reloading books. Then they are forced to rely on strangers. Some of which make a mountain out of a mole hill. So ya at one time Richard Lee knew way more than you and helped advance this "hobby"

While we're on the (side) topic, Lee's first edition is available for free and has the basic info you're referring to available for anyone:

 
*scratches neck*

Oh, because metallic cartridge reloading can be a dangerous endeavor and perhaps the data, if made free to users, would help reduce or maybe even eliminate potential situations that might be catastrophic.

I like the way data is printed on powder bottles, but the manufacturers could do more to spread that data for free. Might even make folks try the products more and enhance sales, dunno. Just a thought.

If one, IMO, can't pony up the 20 bucks for a manual, than maybe just maybe one needs to find a new hobby.
 
An old guy use to say,
Most of the reloading people are the cheapest people you will ever meet.
I can’t disagree. My uncle was no exception but he did pay for manuals and tipped the guys who saved him wheel weights - more than just a few bucks, too.

My uncle was an old school, depression-era woodsman and country folk who figured store bought ammo was kinda like store bought food: it might fill your belly well enough but it won’t taste right and might make you sick.

I know it’s hard for some folks who’ve been raised on modern convenience to understand this but, it wasn’t that long ago people got their food from open markets and small shops. There were no “supermarkets” and a lot of times, unless you were just filthy rich, the only food a body could afford was filthy. Reloading wasn’t taught to me - or my cousins - as an economy. It was a necessity.
 
I don't just get by on reloading stuff. If I want it I buy it. I have plenty of extra all the way around and still buy more.
Reloading manuals are a must have item if you reload, there are plenty of them out there very reasonable if you look.
Even new they are worth every penny you spend on them.
I know some people use electronics for their information, but I much prefer hard copy paper.
 
Was in Walmart a few days back and found myself standing next to the magazine rack. On a whim, looked and lo and behold, they had the 2024 manual. Not sure what got rung up, but price on it says $12.99 usd.

Load data and write ups for new powders Perfect Pattern, High Gun and Grand. The latter is falling down funny as claim it is made in US, so should be readily available, yet nobody shows Grand on their websites, including Hodgdon themselves.

Shotgun data limited to 12 gauge and 1 oz and 1 1/8 oz payloads.

But for about the same price as a 1/4 pound cheeseburger value meal, I got a new manual. It will last longer than the meal did.
 
BTW, I should also mention, Hodgdon actually produces two different annual reloading manuals. One is the Annual manual. The other is the free or at least very low cost annual load data. The latter is very brief with center fire metalica, but has much more data for shotguns, including payloads to 1 1/4 oz or more in 12 gauge and limited load data for the other gauges too. If you load shotguns, rifle and pistol, you want both.
 
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