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H.R.4900
Title: To reform the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, modernize firearms laws and regulations, protect the community from criminals, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep King, Steve [IA-5] (introduced 12/19/2007) Cosponsors (219)
Latest Major Action: 1/14/2008 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. COSPONSORS(219), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)


Rep Aderholt, Robert B. [AL-4] - 3/13/2008
Rep Akin, W. Todd [MO-2] - 3/13/2008
Rep Alexander, Rodney [LA-5] - 3/14/2008
Rep Altmire, Jason [PA-4] - 3/12/2008
Rep Baca, Joe [CA-43] - 6/17/2008
Rep Bachmann, Michele [MN-6] - 5/14/2008
Rep Bachus, Spencer [AL-6] - 5/5/2008
Rep Barrett, J. Gresham [SC-3] - 3/12/2008
Rep Barrow, John [GA-12] - 4/17/2008
Rep Bartlett, Roscoe G. [MD-6] - 4/23/2008
Rep Barton, Joe [TX-6] - 5/8/2008
Rep Berry, Marion [AR-1] - 5/14/2008
Rep Biggert, Judy [IL-13] - 5/22/2008
Rep Bilbray, Brian P. [CA-50] - 3/12/2008
Rep Bilirakis, Gus M. [FL-9] - 5/5/2008
Rep Bishop, Rob [UT-1] - 2/21/2008
Rep Bishop, Sanford D., Jr. [GA-2] - 3/12/2008
Rep Blackburn, Marsha [TN-7] - 3/12/2008
Rep Blunt, Roy [MO-7] - 3/3/2008
Rep Boehner, John A. [OH-8] - 3/11/2008
Rep Bonner, Jo [AL-1] - 4/17/2008
Rep Boozman, John [AR-3] - 1/28/2008
Rep Boren, Dan [OK-2] - 3/13/2008
Rep Boswell, Leonard L. [IA-3] - 3/10/2008
Rep Boucher, Rick [VA-9] - 3/6/2008
Rep Boustany, Charles W., Jr. [LA-7] - 3/13/2008
Rep Boyd, Allen [FL-2] - 5/6/2008
Rep Brady, Kevin [TX-8] - 5/14/2008
Rep Broun, Paul C. [GA-10] - 4/25/2008
Rep Brown, Henry E., Jr. [SC-1] - 3/6/2008
Rep Brown-Waite, Ginny [FL-5] - 3/12/2008
Rep Buchanan, Vern [FL-13] - 3/12/2008
Rep Burgess, Michael C. [TX-26] - 3/14/2008
Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] - 2/21/2008
Rep Buyer, Steve [IN-4] - 5/20/2008
Rep Calvert, Ken [CA-44] - 5/13/2008
Rep Camp, Dave [MI-4] - 4/14/2008
Rep Campbell, John [CA-48] - 2/14/2008
Rep Cannon, Chris [UT-3] - 2/6/2008
Rep Cantor, Eric [VA-7] - 2/21/2008
Rep Capito, Shelley Moore [WV-2] - 5/7/2008
Rep Cardoza, Dennis A. [CA-18] - 5/7/2008
Rep Carney, Christopher P. [PA-10] - 3/3/2008
Rep Carter, John R. [TX-31] - 2/21/2008
Rep Chabot, Steve [OH-1] - 2/6/2008
Rep Chandler, Ben [KY-6] - 5/8/2008
Rep Childers, Travis [MS-1] - 6/12/2008
Rep Coble, Howard [NC-6] - 2/6/2008
Rep Cole, Tom [OK-4] - 3/6/2008
Rep Conaway, K. Michael [TX-11] - 2/14/2008
Rep Cramer, Robert E. (Bud), Jr. [AL-5] - 4/9/2008
Rep Cubin, Barbara [WY] - 3/12/2008
Rep Cuellar, Henry [TX-28] - 4/23/2008
Rep Culberson, John Abney [TX-7] - 3/13/2008
Rep Davis, Artur [AL-7] - 4/24/2008
Rep Davis, David [TN-1] - 3/13/2008
Rep Davis, Geoff [KY-4] - 4/14/2008
Rep Davis, Lincoln [TN-4] - 5/7/2008
Rep Deal, Nathan [GA-9] - 3/31/2008
Rep DeFazio, Peter A. [OR-4] - 4/9/2008
Rep Dent, Charles W. [PA-15] - 4/2/2008
Rep Diaz-Balart, Lincoln [FL-21] - 5/14/2008
Rep Diaz-Balart, Mario [FL-25] - 5/8/2008
Rep Dingell, John D. [MI-15] - 3/14/2008
Rep Donnelly, Joe [IN-2] - 5/14/2008
Rep Doolittle, John T. [CA-4] - 6/5/2008
Rep Drake, Thelma D. [VA-2] - 5/5/2008
Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] - 5/15/2008
Rep Edwards, Chet [TX-17] - 3/10/2008
Rep Ellsworth, Brad [IN-8] - 4/23/2008
Rep Emerson, Jo Ann [MO-8] - 6/17/2008
Rep English, Phil [PA-3] - 3/3/2008
Rep Everett, Terry [AL-2] - 3/12/2008
Rep Fallin, Mary [OK-5] - 4/23/2008
Rep Feeney, Tom [FL-24] - 3/11/2008
Rep Flake, Jeff [AZ-6] - 6/4/2008
Rep Forbes, J. Randy [VA-4] - 5/5/2008
Rep Fortenberry, Jeff [NE-1] - 6/17/2008
Rep Foxx, Virginia [NC-5] - 3/13/2008
Rep Franks, Trent [AZ-2] - 2/6/2008
Rep Gallegly, Elton [CA-24] - 2/14/2008
Rep Garrett, Scott [NJ-5] - 3/12/2008
Rep Gillibrand, Kirsten E. [NY-20] - 6/11/2008
Rep Gingrey, Phil [GA-11] - 3/3/2008
Rep Gohmert, Louie [TX-1] - 4/9/2008
Rep Goode, Virgil H., Jr. [VA-5] - 3/12/2008
Rep Goodlatte, Bob [VA-6] - 4/2/2008
Rep Gordon, Bart [TN-6] - 5/8/2008
Rep Granger, Kay [TX-12] - 4/2/2008
Rep Graves, Sam [MO-6] - 3/14/2008
Rep Green, Gene [TX-29] - 4/9/2008
Rep Hall, Ralph M. [TX-4] - 4/17/2008
Rep Hastings, Doc [WA-4] - 4/22/2008
Rep Hayes, Robin [NC-8] - 3/14/2008
Rep Heller, Dean [NV-2] - 4/14/2008
Rep Hensarling, Jeb [TX-5] - 3/14/2008
Rep Herger, Wally [CA-2] - 4/2/2008
Rep Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie [SD] - 4/9/2008
Rep Higgins, Brian [NY-27] - 4/14/2008
Rep Hill, Baron P. [IN-9] - 5/14/2008
Rep Hoekstra, Peter [MI-2] - 3/14/2008
Rep Holden, Tim [PA-17] - 2/14/2008
Rep Hulshof, Kenny C. [MO-9] - 4/30/2008
Rep Issa, Darrell E. [CA-49] - 4/9/2008
Rep Johnson, Sam [TX-3] - 3/14/2008
Rep Johnson, Timothy V. [IL-15] - 5/14/2008
Rep Jones, Walter B., Jr. [NC-3] - 2/6/2008
Rep Jordan, Jim [OH-4] - 3/14/2008
Rep Kagen, Steve [WI-8] - 3/13/2008
Rep Kanjorski, Paul E. [PA-11] - 4/30/2008
Rep Keller, Ric [FL-8] - 3/6/2008
Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] - 4/17/2008
Rep Kline, John [MN-2] - 3/11/2008
Rep Knollenberg, Joe [MI-9] - 5/15/2008
Rep Kuhl, John R. "Randy", Jr. [NY-29] - 3/6/2008
Rep Lamborn, Doug [CO-5] - 3/31/2008
Rep Lampson, Nick [TX-22] - 3/31/2008
Rep Latham, Tom [IA-4] - 5/15/2008
Rep LaTourette, Steven C. [OH-14] - 3/31/2008
Rep Latta, Robert E. [OH-5] - 4/30/2008
Rep Lewis, Jerry [CA-41] - 5/20/2008
Rep Lewis, Ron [KY-2] - 4/2/2008
Rep Lucas, Frank D. [OK-3] - 6/4/2008
Rep Lungren, Daniel E. [CA-3] - 5/22/2008
Rep Mack, Connie [FL-14] - 3/3/2008
Rep Mahoney, Tim [FL-16] - 5/15/2008
Rep Manzullo, Donald A. [IL-16] - 6/4/2008
Rep Marchant, Kenny [TX-24] - 3/6/2008
Rep Marshall, Jim [GA-8] - 4/14/2008
Rep Matheson, Jim [UT-2] - 3/13/2008
Rep McCarthy, Kevin [CA-22] - 4/30/2008
Rep McCaul, Michael T. [TX-10] - 3/6/2008
Rep McCotter, Thaddeus G. [MI-11] - 2/6/2008
Rep McCrery, Jim [LA-4] - 4/17/2008
Rep McHenry, Patrick T. [NC-10] - 3/14/2008
Rep McKeon, Howard P. "Buck" [CA-25] - 6/11/2008
Rep McMorris Rodgers, Cathy [WA-5] - 5/6/2008
Rep Melancon, Charlie [LA-3] - 3/14/2008
Rep Mica, John L. [FL-7] - 4/24/2008
Rep Michaud, Michael H. [ME-2] - 5/22/2008
Rep Miller, Candice S. [MI-10] - 3/31/2008
Rep Miller, Gary G. [CA-42] - 5/6/2008
Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1] - 3/3/2008
Rep Mollohan, Alan B. [WV-1] - 5/7/2008
Rep Moran, Jerry [KS-1] - 3/31/2008
Rep Murphy, Tim [PA-18] - 4/17/2008
Rep Murtha, John P. [PA-12] - 3/13/2008
Rep Musgrave, Marilyn N. [CO-4] - 4/9/2008
Rep Myrick, Sue Wilkins [NC-9] - 4/23/2008
Rep Neugebauer, Randy [TX-19] - 3/13/2008
Rep Nunes, Devin [CA-21] - 3/13/2008
Rep Ortiz, Solomon P. [TX-27] - 4/17/2008
Rep Pearce, Stevan [NM-2] - 3/13/2008
Rep Pence, Mike [IN-6] - 3/12/2008
Rep Peterson, Collin C. [MN-7] - 3/31/2008
Rep Peterson, John E. [PA-5] - 2/21/2008
Rep Petri, Thomas E. [WI-6] - 5/15/2008
Rep Pickering, Charles W. "Chip" [MS-3] - 4/22/2008
Rep Pitts, Joseph R. [PA-16] - 3/11/2008
Rep Platts, Todd Russell [PA-19] - 5/14/2008
Rep Poe, Ted [TX-2] - 3/3/2008
Rep Porter, Jon C. [NV-3] - 3/13/2008
Rep Price, Tom [GA-6] - 4/14/2008
Rep Pryce, Deborah [OH-15] - 3/14/2008
Rep Putnam, Adam H. [FL-12] - 3/13/2008
Rep Radanovich, George [CA-19] - 5/20/2008
Rep Rahall, Nick J., II [WV-3] - 2/21/2008
Rep Rehberg, Dennis R. [MT] - 4/9/2008
Rep Renzi, Rick [AZ-1] - 2/14/2008
Rep Reynolds, Thomas M. [NY-26] - 4/23/2008
Rep Rogers, Harold [KY-5] - 4/2/2008
Rep Rogers, Mike D. [AL-3] - 2/21/2008
Rep Rogers, Mike J. [MI-8] - 3/10/2008
Rep Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [FL-18] - 4/30/2008
Rep Ross, Mike [AR-4] - 3/6/2008
Rep Royce, Edward R. [CA-40] - 3/13/2008
Rep Ryan, Paul [WI-1] - 5/8/2008
Rep Salazar, John T. [CO-3] - 5/21/2008
Rep Sali, Bill [ID-1] - 3/13/2008
Rep Scalise, Steve [LA-1] - 5/15/2008
Rep Schmidt, Jean [OH-2] - 2/6/2008
Rep Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr. [WI-5] - 5/5/2008
Rep Sessions, Pete [TX-32] - 3/6/2008
Rep Shadegg, John B. [AZ-3] - 3/10/2008
Rep Shimkus, John [IL-19] - 4/9/2008
Rep Shuler, Heath [NC-11] - 2/14/2008
Rep Shuster, Bill [PA-9] - 4/17/2008
Rep Simpson, Michael K. [ID-2] - 3/3/2008
Rep Smith, Adrian [NE-3] - 3/13/2008
Rep Smith, Lamar [TX-21] - 1/28/2008
Rep Souder, Mark E. [IN-3] - 3/12/2008
Rep Space, Zachary T. [OH-18] - 12/19/2007
Rep Stearns, Cliff [FL-6] - 3/13/2008
Rep Stupak, Bart [MI-1] - 6/9/2008
Rep Sullivan, John [OK-1] - 4/30/2008
Rep Tancredo, Thomas G. [CO-6] - 3/6/2008
Rep Tanner, John S. [TN-8] - 6/12/2008
Rep Taylor, Gene [MS-4] - 5/6/2008
Rep Terry, Lee [NE-2] - 4/17/2008
Rep Thornberry, Mac [TX-13] - 4/17/2008
Rep Tiberi, Patrick J. [OH-12] - 5/20/2008
Rep Turner, Michael R. [OH-3] - 5/13/2008
Rep Udall, Mark [CO-2] - 6/4/2008
Rep Upton, Fred [MI-6] - 4/2/2008
Rep Walberg, Timothy [MI-7] - 2/14/2008
Rep Walden, Greg [OR-2] - 5/6/2008
Rep Walsh, James T. [NY-25] - 4/30/2008
Rep Walz, Timothy J. [MN-1] - 5/5/2008
Rep Wamp, Zach [TN-3] - 2/21/2008
Rep Weldon, Dave [FL-15] - 3/10/2008
Rep Weller, Jerry [IL-11] - 5/7/2008
Rep Westmoreland, Lynn A. [GA-3] - 3/10/2008
Rep Wilson, Charles A. [OH-6] - 4/2/2008
Rep Wilson, Heather [NM-1] - 3/14/2008
Rep Wilson, Joe [SC-2] - 3/31/2008
Rep Wittman, Robert J. [VA-1] - 3/14/2008
Rep Wolf, Frank R. [VA-10] - 5/14/2008
Rep Young, C.W. Bill [FL-10] - 6/12/2008
Rep Young, Don [AK] - 4/9/2008
 
any time i see "modernize firearms laws and regulations" I get a bit scepticle.

This seems eerily familiar.... FOPA is good for firearms owners... oh wait we can't register MGs anymore...

time will tell.
 
From http://www.gunlawnews.org/110th-House-Bills/hr4900-5.html

Synopsis
Directly from the Congressional Record Summary:

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives Reform and Firearms Modernization Act of 2007 - Amends the federal criminal code to revise the civil penalties for violations of firearms law and the procedures for assessing such penalties.

Revises the definition of "willfully" for purposes of firearms violations and standards for criminal violations of firearms recordkeeping requirements.

Requires the Attorney General to: (1) make preliminary determinations on firearms license applications and notify applicants in writing of a proposed denial; and (2) establish guidelines for Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) inspections, examinations, or investigations of possible firearms violations.

Prohibits ATF from disclosing information on firearms purchasers other than to a court, law enforcement agency, or prosecutor.
Permits an owner of a firearms business whose license is expired, surrendered, or revoked 60 days to liquidate inventory.

Requires any state agency that stores or keeps explosive materials to report to the Attorney General on the location and amount of such materials.
Allows the transfer and possession of machineguns for use by federal security contractors.

Prohibits taxes or user fees for background checks under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act.

Eliminates the requirement of written permission for the use of a handgun for lawful purposes by a minor (under age 18) where a parent or legal guardian is present at all times during such use.

Restricts the disclosure of information in the ATF firearms trace system database.

Increases penalties for possession of firearms by felons with prior convictions of a crime of violence or a serious drug offense.


Not mentioned in the Congressional Record Summary:

H.R.4900 allows for barrel and receiver importation for the purpose of repairs.

It clarifies that 'manufacturing' does not include some common repair / enhancement work.

The civil penalties mentioned above relate to FFL violations which become more limited in scope including providing for a statute of limitations of 5 years on FFL violations.

Analysis
H.R.4900 seems to be full of positives. This is a great bill to get behind.
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-T.
 
Looks like a needed bill.

I figured it couldn't be that bad if it had 219 cosponsors.
 
At 219 co-sponsors, it has enough supporters to force it to the floor via a discharge petition (a la 1986 FOPA) if necessary.

The tricky part will once again be getting it to the floor unamended with bad provisions added by the party in control of the House.

I'd surmise that the main goal of this bill is not to promote gun rights so much as it is to give that party a chance to step on its foot prior to elections.
 
I'd surmise that the main goal of this bill is not to promote gun rights so much as it is to give that party a chance to step on its foot prior to elections.

Being an election year, I expect you're right. I think the Republicans want to make gun control as big an issue in this election as it was in the last one because the usual gun band crowd has been pretty quiet up to this point with a few notable exceptions.
 
My understanding of this bill is that the main thrust is to stop ATF abuses from running FFL's out of business. The rest is boilerplate, even if it is nice boilerplate.

The redefinition of "willful" is what's key here.

Currently, overzealous ATF inspectors are considering minor 4473 errors, such as neglecting to correct a customer putting in "WI" instead of "Wisconsin" fully spelled out as a "willful violation" if they'd been warned about it once before, then running the FFL out of business over it.

They're forcing the ATF to make "willful" mean what it originally was meant to mean: "You put completely bogus information in this 4473 from top to bottom because you sold that gun to gangbangers in a back-alley w/o calling NICS." etc.

We had the manufacturer's lawsuit protection bill. This is the FFL protection bill.
 
"Allows the transfer and possession of machineguns for use by federal security contractors."

If ANYONE is allowed the transfer and possession of MGs, it should be the american public. Change "federal security contractors" into "civilians" and this will be worthwhile.

Without that change, IMO, we are giving federal security contractors more rights than civilians, which is effectively gun control and violates the constitution.

My summary of this bill:
"We're gonna fix BATFE! and let fed security contractors have MGs...
 
Six months in the drink eh?
I predict it is dead.
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It has enough votes to pass in the House now or be forced out of committee against the will of the Chairman.

Of course whether it will go anywhere in the Senate is a fair question and the House Judiciary Committee Chairman (no friend to gun owners currently) may already have an alternate bill marked up with gun control that he is ready to substitute.

One reason the 1986 FOPA only had a MG ban was that the party in charge had defeated it seven times previously and got lazy on defense. They didn't have any alternate bill ready, so when the discharge petition passed they had to result to a questionable last minute voice vote to append the MG ban to the otherwise 100% pro-RKBA bill.
 
I don't think there is enough time to have a successful discharge petition :confused:
 
This bill really seems sneaky at best.

I honestly do not see how it benefits people enough to enact it.

Permits an owner of a firearms business whose license is expired, surrendered, or revoked 60 days to liquidate inventory.
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A person cannot simply make thier inventory disappear, this already goes without saying.
Not much changed.

Requires any state agency that stores or keeps explosive materials to report to the Attorney General on the location and amount of such materials.
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More restrictions. This looks like it would require national guard and state militias to report the location of all explosives to the federal government, not just arms or weapons, but the chemicals themselves.
That is even more intrusive.

Allows the transfer and possession of machineguns for use by federal security contractors.
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Wouldn't want Blackwater, Halliburton and others held to the same standards as the citizens of the United States.
No thanks, private armies should not be subject to seperate laws within our borders. Let us not forget who will be contracted for use against us if necessary. Such people were on the ground during Katrina in New Orleans. You better believe such people will be hired again if something big requires a large number of men.

Prohibits taxes or user fees for background checks under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act.
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Oh nice, a tiny pro gun bone actualy tossed into the mix.
Is it worth the other crap though?

Eliminates the requirement of written permission for the use of a handgun for lawful purposes by a minor (under age 18) where a parent or legal guardian is present at all times during such use.
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I have never once seen this enforced with a parent present, but hey it sounds good and shouldn't be on the books anyways.
This hardly counts though as it won't change anything in actuality.

Restricts the disclosure of information in the ATF firearms trace system database.
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Wow, that is actualy anti gun. Citizens should know everything in that database, especialy since creating a database on gun owners is illegal per the 1986 FOPA. Do we really want to protect the ability to hide how an illegal database is being used.
While they will highlight positives, this will also give the ATF something to hide behind when questioned about illegal databases.
The same bill that outlawed machineguns prevents them from creating or maintaining such a database. It is illegal! No they shouldn't be protected from disclosing what is in it.

Increases penalties for possession of firearms by felons with prior convictions of a crime of violence or a serious drug offense.
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Oh wow. I guess enhancements of 6 -10 years for a prohibited person even having a firearm is not enough. Better increase the penalties even more.
With the dramatic increase in what are considered felonies and prohibiting offenses, increases in the number of soldiers being dishonorably discharged for developing any disorder (dishonorable discharge is a prohibiting offense) etc This just smacks of tyranny enforcement.
The punishment for such offenses is already extremely high, I see no reason to increase it even more. What is next, life sentences for anyone the government says shouldn't have a firearm owning one?
If your wife chooses to falsely accuse you of domestic violence after some future divorce or during difficult child custody battles should you be subject to most of the rest of your life in prison if you ever choose to own another firearm? (I guess an ex husband could even say the same thing if he wanted to insure his ex wife could never legaly be capable of defending herself again too.)
These things don't just effect career criminals.
 
A person cannot simply make thier inventory disappear, this already goes without saying.
Not much changed.
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And yet that is what is expected under current law. 60 days is better than nothing eh?

Such people were on the ground during Katrina in New Orleans.
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Yes, they were there protecting private property. Is there something wrong with that?

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Restricts the disclosure of information in the ATF firearms trace system database.

Wow, that is actualy anti gun. Citizens should know everything in that database, especialy since creating a database on gun owners is illegal per the 1986 FOPA. Do we really want to protect the ability to hide how an illegal database is being used.
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The 1986 FOPA prevents centralized registration of firearms. The database being dicussed here is the ATF's database of trace requests on firearm serial numbers by law enforcement agencies nationwide.

Until a few years ago, ATF used to release its trace data publicly when requested. Organizations like VPC often misused the data to promote their agenda. At one point, it got so bad that even ATF released a press release saying "Look, you are distorting the data." (Example: VPC would claim ANY firearm trace as a "crime gun" when ATF doesn't make any distinction between a firearm used in a murder and one from a law-abiding citizen who undergoes a traffic stop where a firearm is discovered.)

In addition, you also failed to list some very important improvements:

Requires the Attorney General to: (1) make preliminary determinations on firearms license applications and notify applicants in writing of a proposed denial; and (2) establish guidelines for Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) inspections, examinations, or investigations of possible firearms violations.
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Currently, there is no standard on how ATF conducts firearm inspections. The freedom of an accused gun owner rests in the hands of ATF's technical staff and their ability to make any firearm malfunction so that it fires more than one shot with a single trigger pull. This abuse has been well documented here, so I find it difficult to believe that anyone here doesn't think this is worth correcting.

H.R.4900 allows for barrel and receiver importation for the purpose of repairs.
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Anybody got a nice FAL, AK, PTR91, etc. kit they would like to be able to repair? Not worth the effort here?

It clarifies that 'manufacturing' does not include some common repair / enhancement work.
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When you understand that this same grey area also covers "stripped" AR15 lowers, you start to get an inkling of how massively important this particular provision is for anyone who assembles firearms, builds them for a kit or has extensive custom work done - otherwise known as practically every gun owner on this board.

Just like FOPA.
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Comments like that amaze me. It smacks of ignorance of the legislative process as well as the history of FOPA - both of which could be easily discovered by a search at THR or Google. I'd type the explanation for the 200th time; but I'm kind of sick of spoonfeeding people who can't or won't listen.
 
Wow, that is actualy anti gun. Citizens should know everything in that database, especialy since creating a database on gun owners is illegal per the 1986 FOPA. Do we really want to protect the ability to hide how an illegal database is being used.
While they will highlight positives, this will also give the ATF something to hide behind when questioned about illegal databases.
The same bill that outlawed machineguns prevents them from creating or maintaining such a database. It is illegal! No they shouldn't be protected from disclosing what is in it.
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Actually, doesnt it just do the same thing as the Tihart amendment? Trace data is a registry of guns, its data obtained when the ytry to trace the history of a gun used in a crime. That is the same data that Tihart says can only be shared with law enforcement, and not whoever wants it, like VPC and Brady, who keeps trying to force the ATF to give them the data so they can use it to sue gun dealers, manufactureres, and likely every owner from the dealer to the last person who owned it before it was became a "crime gun". Sounds like it makes Tihart permanant law, not just something the pro-gun side has to keep slipping into ATF's budget appropriations bill every time it exires and has to be redone. One on these days, they will fail to slip it in, and VPC nd Brady will use ATF trace data to start suing dealer, distibutors, and gun owners into bankrucy. Sounds like a Pro-gun section to me, no an antyi-gun one.


Bah! Bartholomew Roberts must have posted the second I hit "reply" and started typing. Sneaky, sneaky!:p
 
Lot of ignorance on this bill.
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Ignorance?
The exemption of contractors alone is enough to make the whole thing null and void IMHO.

LEO are already treated as special citizens. Now Contractors will be as well?

What happened to a desire for equal treatment under the law for all Americans?



And yes I am aware of people like the Brady's abusing the trace info. However I am also aware of the ATF abusing the system itself. Most data they collect is permanently stored. That is illegal per the FOPA.
Where do you think they got all the info to randomly show up at gun owners homes during the D.C. sniper situation? You think they just guessed who had firearms in that caliber with the right ballistic marks?
They admit to and are unapologetic about creating, maintaining and updating such records, in clear violation of the FOPA.
Additional legislation that can give them something to cite and hide behind when the public requests info under a freedom of informations act to ensure they are not breaking the law is a bad idea IMHO.
 
Zoogster, please do some research, you don't understand the data you are talking about. It is records of traces in guns seized in criminal investigations. Available for law enforcement. Currently it is forbidden for Brady, Bloomberg, etc. to use this data to sue gun makers and sellers by stating that in a appropriation bill every year, this would make that permanent.

The bill proposes a bunch of other reforms to prevent ATFE from abitrarily yanking FFL licenses and forces them to develop technical standards on what machine guns are in order to reduce abuses that have occured in both areas.

It re-allows import of "non sporting" barrels & receivers we use in our AK kits. This import ban was recently issued.

As for the contractor thing, this allows contractors doing such work as protecting nuclear plants to have NFA weapons. In a perfect world every one would have them I suppose, but I live in the real world and this is pretty minor.

This bill is pretty pro-gun. I rate the chances of this bill passing as going from slim to none after the elections.
 
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