ColtPythonElite
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My Remington 550 shoots all three. The 550 & 552 are some of the few semis that will feed all three.
.22 Rimfire - Short - Long - Long Rifle
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bhk
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I think some folks confuse the traditional .22 long (a full-power rimfire with a 29 grain bullet) with the CCI long CB (a reduced-power cartridge with the same 710 fps as the CCI CB short). The traditional long and CB long are very different animals. Years ago, the power (and cost) progression was short, long, and long rifle. The introduction of CCIs reduced-power CB long has confused the issue a lot, especially with folks too young to remember the traditional long.
I shoot a good bit of .22 and had wondered why CCI made the CB's in long and not LR. I figured they would make the CB in LR. Must be some reason, but I don't know it. Maybe it has to do with bullett weight.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/22_rimfire_cartridges.htm
http://www.chuckhawks.com/22_rimfire_cartridges.htm
bhk
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They have one now in the form of the CCI Quiet. It is a low powered load with a 40 grain bullet.
rcmodel
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The make the CB long in a long rifle case to prevent chamber fouling with the short case.
They use the light bullet because it is shorter, provides less bore friction, and the powderless CB needs all the help it can get to prevent stuck bullets in the bore.
As for full power .22 Long's.
I don't think Winchester or Remington has made them for many years.
CCI still does, but I don't recall ever seeing any for sale on a shelf.
rc
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Back when I was a kid in the 60's I bought the best I could afford, usually shorts and longs, only long rifle for special occasions. There was a price difference of about .10 between shorts and longs and .10 more for long rifle.
351 WINCHESTER
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You're lucky. All I could buy was Peters at the local convience store. Those were the days. I was buying my own ammo when I was like 13 and had my .22 rifle in my bicycle basket and no one cared.
22 Rimfires are all I really shoot, or at least enjoy shooting. I shoot a few others on occasion, but the only gun I truly ENJOY shooting as a recreational activity is 22. My favorite gun to shoot on this planet is the Remington 121 The Fieldmaster in 22lr. I occasionally get shorts, CB's, and Longs. But mostly just 22lr. Turtles are my favorite target. I also like full beer cans shaken up real good(I know I know, waisting a good beer). But I 22 will cut a full beer shaken up in half if you hit it right. Bottles of tonic water are pretty good too.
Ignition Override
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Not really.
With my .22 supply a little below 2,000 rds. (my min. limit), I've been shooting a fair bit of 8mm Mauser, .308 and 7.62x39 instead.
Tomorrow using M2 Ball in my M-1, and some Swiss 7.5 in a friend's K-31.
With my .22 supply a little below 2,000 rds. (my min. limit), I've been shooting a fair bit of 8mm Mauser, .308 and 7.62x39 instead.
Tomorrow using M2 Ball in my M-1, and some Swiss 7.5 in a friend's K-31.
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Deltaboy1984
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I have a 512 Remington and a Mossie single shot that I use shorts in them.
22-rimfire
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The only retail store I have seen regular longs has been at Sportsman Warehouse.
I also supplemented my "income" picking up pop bottles riding my bike when I was a kid. I had no income. I'd get $1.50 for mowing a big yard with a push mower, hours of work. But that was two boxes of 22 shells.
788Ham
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The CB Longs are powered like the other CB's, just a priming compound for power, thats why so quiet. I've dispatched 4 cottontails with CB Longs, an older Rem. # 33 rifle, knocks the snot out of them.
I've shot S,L & LR for years out of the same rifle, long distances are the only indicator of accuracy. In fact, dwnstrs a month ago checking .22 supplies, I found a brick of .22 shorts I'd forgotten I had, $6.00 for the brick of Remingtons. Am holding off shooting until supplies pick up, hate to dip into the 6K too hard.
I've shot S,L & LR for years out of the same rifle, long distances are the only indicator of accuracy. In fact, dwnstrs a month ago checking .22 supplies, I found a brick of .22 shorts I'd forgotten I had, $6.00 for the brick of Remingtons. Am holding off shooting until supplies pick up, hate to dip into the 6K too hard.
There are a lot more rifles besides lever rifles that shoot shorts and longs. Several companies make tube fed models that take all 3 rimfire .22's. Some do take magnums but that's pretty rare. I have two .22 rifles that will shoot all 3. One is a single shot Stevens. It has taken more squirrels than the rest of my .22's combined and a big part of them were killed with shorts. Back in the 60's shorts were cheaper than longs or LR's so that's what we bought. We had a hard enough time rounding up enough money to buy anything and mom and dad wouldn't buy them for us. We were expected to pull our own weight when it came to fun stuff in those days. It was pretty easy to find work on the local farms so we could keep ourselves in ammo but we always got the best bang for the buck which at the time was shorts.
That's not even true now. Shorts are more expensive than bulk LR's in many cases. I still buy shorts but for a different reason now. They're great for those late night varmints where you don't want to disturb the neighbors. Plus I can put 25 of them in my Marlin XT-22 TR. That's a lot of shooting before you need to reload. It can come in handy if you have a pack of dogs attacking the chicken coop or whatever. I haven't had that problem in a long time. But sometimes you can find a reason to shoot a lot without reloading.
For one thing there are shorts that are supersonic now. They are lighter of course but they exist. It's plenty enough to knock a squirrel down out of a tree.
That's not even true now. Shorts are more expensive than bulk LR's in many cases. I still buy shorts but for a different reason now. They're great for those late night varmints where you don't want to disturb the neighbors. Plus I can put 25 of them in my Marlin XT-22 TR. That's a lot of shooting before you need to reload. It can come in handy if you have a pack of dogs attacking the chicken coop or whatever. I haven't had that problem in a long time. But sometimes you can find a reason to shoot a lot without reloading.
For one thing there are shorts that are supersonic now. They are lighter of course but they exist. It's plenty enough to knock a squirrel down out of a tree.
rcmodel
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When I was about 12 or so, my job on the farm was to get on my bike, and go kill jack rabbits before and after school with my Winchester 47 single-shot, or later Model 77 semi-auto.
We were over-run with them, and they were eating the wheat fields down to the dirt & roots.
Then digging holes in the dust to lay in, and the wheat fields were blowing away.
My dad bought me all the .22 LR by the brick I needed to keep on killing them at the grain elevator in town.
At the time, Remington came out with the Remington Rocket .22 Short. It came in a flat 28 round 'chicklet package' with a clear window in the front. It carried a sintered iron bullet, and unlike HS LR, or HS Short HP, would not kill a jack rabbit reliably if you shot his eye out!
About sundown, dad would come to the fields with a tractor and we would load them up and haul them home to feed to the hogs.
We got .5 cents bounty on a pair of ears from the county, and that was more then enough to pay for the ammo!!
Shooting them morning and night every day at long range, moving, setting, or jumping up & down, I got to be a good enough shot to get on an Army AMU team a few years later, instead of going to Vietnam to be a target myself!!
The next winter, the Jacks got some kind of disease, and they would set in the wheat fields and freeze to death at night.
I would shoot them, and nothing happened because they were froze solid as a rock where they last sat down to munch on the emerging winter wheat.
After that winter in the late 1950's, there are still no jack rabbits to this day where I grew up.
If you don't believe it?
Here is a clip of jack rabbit drives held in Kansas during the dust bowl days.
Clip #8 in this link:
http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/204928
It was almost that bad again when I was a boy in the 50's.
The town of Westphalia KS was still having jack rabbit drives then.
Farmers & ranchers would band together on a Sunday and beat jack rabbits to death with a club, or stab them with pitchforks.
While the womenfolk were cooking a big dinner for the hunters
Try that on for size todays SPCA!!
rc
We were over-run with them, and they were eating the wheat fields down to the dirt & roots.
Then digging holes in the dust to lay in, and the wheat fields were blowing away.
My dad bought me all the .22 LR by the brick I needed to keep on killing them at the grain elevator in town.
At the time, Remington came out with the Remington Rocket .22 Short. It came in a flat 28 round 'chicklet package' with a clear window in the front. It carried a sintered iron bullet, and unlike HS LR, or HS Short HP, would not kill a jack rabbit reliably if you shot his eye out!
About sundown, dad would come to the fields with a tractor and we would load them up and haul them home to feed to the hogs.
We got .5 cents bounty on a pair of ears from the county, and that was more then enough to pay for the ammo!!
Shooting them morning and night every day at long range, moving, setting, or jumping up & down, I got to be a good enough shot to get on an Army AMU team a few years later, instead of going to Vietnam to be a target myself!!
The next winter, the Jacks got some kind of disease, and they would set in the wheat fields and freeze to death at night.
I would shoot them, and nothing happened because they were froze solid as a rock where they last sat down to munch on the emerging winter wheat.
After that winter in the late 1950's, there are still no jack rabbits to this day where I grew up.
If you don't believe it?
Here is a clip of jack rabbit drives held in Kansas during the dust bowl days.
Clip #8 in this link:
http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/204928
It was almost that bad again when I was a boy in the 50's.
The town of Westphalia KS was still having jack rabbit drives then.
Farmers & ranchers would band together on a Sunday and beat jack rabbits to death with a club, or stab them with pitchforks.
While the womenfolk were cooking a big dinner for the hunters
Try that on for size todays SPCA!!
rc
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bhk
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Actually, CCI CBs do have a powder charge in them. Pull a bullet and see (several grains of greenish gray powder). Aguilas Super Colibris also have a powder charge (regular Colibris may not?). "Way back when" some cb ammo was loaded without powder, but not much anymore.
rcmodel
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The CCI CB Cap does have powder.
Aguila Super Colibri do to.
That's why they are so much louder then Aquila Colibri, which only have a primer mix.
rc
The CCI CB Cap does have powder.
Aguila Super Colibri do to.
That's why they are so much louder then Aquila Colibri, which only have a primer mix.
rc
Interesting how a species can come and go like that. Makes that whole theory of evolution have some big holes n it IMO. I hardly ever saw a rabbit when I was a kid. Some said they had been hunted out but others said it was some sort of blight. I always thought the hunted out theory made more sense because people needed free food in the 30's and 40's. But maybe it was a disease. I've seen other animals get wiped out by disease I guess. But I saw them get hunted out too. Like quail. They were totally wiped out in my county and there still are none there 50 years later. Other species (like deer, rabbit and turkey) made a comeback but not quail.
I have an M39A and a Rem 514. When I was a youth I'd buy and shoot more shorts and longs than long rifle. IIRC, but usually don't, shorts were .50 cents a box, or maybe that was longs and the shorts were .40 cents. Anyway, the LRs were maybe as much as a nickel more than longs; I bought the cheapest, mostly. Long rifles were for special occasions.
I also shot a ton of CB and BB caps and killed a ton of squirrels with them. The CBs had a powder charge but the BBs were primer powered only. The CBs I bought had a shorter case than the CBs I see today. These little rounds made .22 shooting really fun.
I also shot a ton of CB and BB caps and killed a ton of squirrels with them. The CBs had a powder charge but the BBs were primer powered only. The CBs I bought had a shorter case than the CBs I see today. These little rounds made .22 shooting really fun.
rcmodel
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Our quail population declined in direct proportion to the number and size of the turkey flocks introduced here by the state F&G commission.
The turkey flocks live and eat in the same habitat the quail used to live in.
But a big flock of turkeys can march across a field line abreast, and eat everything that moves or doesn't, including all seeds, all bugs, the quail eggs, and the baby quail that can't fly or outrun them.
When the turkeys were introduced here, the quail became history a few short years later.
No F&G biologist will ever convince me the turkey stocking program in Kansas didn't wipe out the quail population here.
That's my story, and I'm sticking too it.
rc
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