22 semi-auto but not a 10-22

[webrx]

CoalCracker, it looks to me like the A22 is the semiauto version of the bolt action BTVSS (which I have and love) this might be the ticket for my next semi-auto (pic attached).

And, before you give me too much grief, the wife picked the bed spread and I already caught heck for putting my rifles on it to take pictures.

Thanks.

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[12Bravo20]

I love my MkII GVL in 17m2 and my MkII BTVLSS in 22lr. Even the old Savage/Stevens/Springfield Model 15/120/125 single shots that I have had over the years all shoot great. So yes I would say the A22 is worth looking at.

 

[webrx]

I pro

I have a lot of them that have done 1/2” or better at 50 yards.

If we start adding qualifiers like under $300, average of 10, 10 shot groups, no optics, standing, with bulk ammunition the list becomes much shorter.

I found the accuracy difference between the usual suspects in the plinker .22 market, inconsequential.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/side-by-side-597-10-22-model-60.811602/

I probably should have qualified, I am looking at around $500 give or take for the rifle only and I typically measure accuracy in 5 shot groups, 1" at 100, so, capable of 1/2" at 50 or better - 5 shot groups from a bench is what I am looking for.

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[Skylerbone]

I pro


I probably should have qualified, I am looking at around $500 give or take for the rifle only and I typically measure accuracy in 5 shot groups, 1" at 100, so, capable of 1/2" at 50 or better - 5 shot groups from a bench is what I am looking for.

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Did you want fries with that? Pretty tall order out of the box for that price range. I own a few .22s that can do it rather consistently but I have plenty more that cannot. If you’re wanting to be in the neighborhood accuracy-wise, then there’s breathing room for a few more choices.

Now I have to ask, why not a 10/22 with a few upgrades? Scads of people have proven time and again it can be done within your price point or, as was suggested, pick a copy and hope it meets expectations.

 

[jmorris]

I probably should have qualified, I am looking at around $500 give or take for the rifle only and I typically measure accuracy in 5 shot groups, 1" at 100, so, capable of 1/2" at 50 or better - 5 shot groups from a bench is what I am looking for.

I know you already had one and changed everything except the barrel (likely the most important firearm part from a benchrest) but for $220 you can get a barrel with a 1/2” 5 shot 50 yard group guarantee.

https://www.kiddinnovativedesign.com/KIDD-22LR-Match-Stainless-Steel-Rifle-Bull-Barrel_p_207.html

 

[The Glockodile]

I have a S&W Performance Center M&P15-22 (with the 18" barrel) that, surprisingly, can do an half an inch or so at 50 yards using Standard Velocity CCIs.

My only frustration is that the plastic construction doesn't really lend well to QD optics - detach the scope, and you'll have to re - zero the rifle all over again...

 

[LoonWulf]

Never had a semi out of 22 consistently shoot minute of angle.
My modded 795 will shoot most of the rounds from a 10 shot magazine into minute of angle but they're always be a few that push the group out noticeably.

A souped-up 10/22 or variant would honestly be the gun I would think most likely to do it.
I know my heavy barrel 597 never came close, So tho the lights did from time to time.

 

[webrx]

Thanks all, I think I am gonna try a savage and if it does not do what I want, I’ll stick to bolts or maybe try another 10/22 and upgrade the barrel.

 

[webrx]

Jmorris, the one I had was a ruger target barrel, hammer forged but maybe you are right and maybe it is a pipe dream from an auto even with good ammo.

thanks for the info.

 

[webrx]

It has been a few years and the 500 is a starting point, of course if I am gonna change barrel and stock and trigger and buffer and etc. maybe I need to get a cheap model and upgrade everything. Or try a “precision” for more dollars and hope for the best.

 

[edcknives]

I own a Ruger custom shop competition 10/22 and a stainless 10/22 TD that I have modified considerably. If it were me and I was to stay away from a 10/22 than I would go with a Browning 22 takedown semi-auto, still may get one as they are just classic, slim and sweet.

 

[Grayrock]

I'm surprised glockodile was the only one who mentioned the S&W M&P 15-22. Also, look at the Tippmann M-4 22.

 

[jmorris]

Jmorris, the one I had was a ruger target barrel, hammer forged but maybe you are right and maybe it is a pipe dream from an auto even with good ammo.

thanks for the info.

The thread I linked to in #22 was a test I did one day side by side of a 597, 60 and 10/22. All stock except I did put glass on the three because the 597 has no iron sights. It was at 60 yards but all between .990-1.110” with their favorite ammo of the 3 I used. I then tried another 10/22 from Clark custom with a Lothar-Walther barrel and it put 5 into .275” at the same 60 yards. So it’s certainly not a pipe dream. I think you just changed the wrong parts or more importantly didn’t try a broad range of ammunition. A repeatable rest is also quite helpful.

 

[webrx]

JMorris, I shoot from a bipod typically, not a rest, and I while I did shoot some bulk stuff I also typically try to find what a rifle likes, and try CCI SV, Stinger, Velociter, AutoMatch, and Fed Champion, I also have a couple boxes of Eley, Wolf, and Norma, and I typically shoot 10-20 rounds of this through a rifle if it is really picky. I have read the Ruger target barrels can be hit or miss, so you may very well be right, that the barrel could have made a difference. But I bought the Target to have a more accurate 10/22.

My bolt action Savage likes the good stuff (Eley) but also shoots well with most decent ammo, including Automatch, Champion and is very comfortable with and CCI SV at 50 and under.

I am by no means a match shooter or BR expert, I don't compete, I just like little holes, I like to see them all touch at 25 and mostly touch at 50, my competition is myself, and TBH as I get older, the eyes are not as good, and it gets harder and harder to accomplish. OK, I do like to compete with my Son and my friends Nice when dad can still show up the 20 and 25 year olds.

From recollection, the Ruger was just not as accurate as I expected, I can keep my 6.5CM under 1" at 100, but with the Ruger it seemed I was lucky to keep it closer to 1" and with an occasional flyer at 50 I was disappointed, again, it may have been me, it may have been the barrel, maybe I didn't torque things like I should or didn't find the right ammo or right whatever, but with the occasional FTE and FTF, and not as accurate as I was hoping. As it turns out, I wanted a .223 Howa Varmint and my friend wanted the 10/22 so I sold it to him and bought the Howa a few years ago, so I can't swear my memory is perfect on the ammo tried, or actual numbers but, this is what I usually do when trying to find the ammo a .22 likes and on a good day I can still shoot MOA or better with a good rifle and scope.

Now I don't hate Rugers, have many of them, GP100, Sec 9, lcp, lc9s, LCRs, my carry is a ruger, I have an RPR in .22 mag, so, this is not a Ruger Bash, my friend says he loves it and will never sell it, he plinks and likes to shoot at clays on a bank at 25 or so, and it will definitely do that, so he is happy.

As stated above, I may go down the 10/22 road again, I do like the variety of mags and all the after market support, so you can configure how you want. If I do, I suspect it wont be a target model, it will most likely start out as a base model and upgrades from there.

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[Txhillbilly]

Just buy a Kidd Supergrade complete rifle and be done with it.

 

[Riomouse911]

Winchester is still making their Wildcat rifle I believe. It’s another gun that uses the ever popular 10-22 magazines, but the gun has differences that people seem to like.

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/winchester-wildcat-semi-auto-rimfire-rifle

https://www.rifleshootermag.com/editorial/winchester-wildcat-review/363885

Not top end like the HK or Browning guns, but something a bit different.

Stay safe.

 

[Riomouse911]

JMorris, I shoot from a bipod typically, not a rest, and I while I did shoot some bulk stuff I also typically try to find what a rifle likes, and try CCI SV, Stinger, Velociter, AutoMatch, and Fed Champion, I also have a couple boxes of Eley, Wolf, and Norma, and I typically shoot 10-20 rounds of this through a rifle if it is really picky. I have read the Ruger target barrels can be hit or miss, so you may very well be right, that the barrel could have made a difference. But I bought the Target to have a more accurate 10/22.

My bolt action Savage likes the good stuff (Eley) but also shoots well with most decent ammo, including Automatch, Champion and is very comfortable with and CCI SV at 50 and under.

I am by no means a match shooter or BR expert, I don't compete, I just like little holes, I like to see them all touch at 25 and mostly touch at 50, my competition is myself, and TBH as I get older, the eyes are not as good, and it gets harder and harder to accomplish. OK, I do like to compete with my Son and my friends Nice when dad can still show up the 20 and 25 year olds.

From recollection, the Ruger was just not as accurate as I expected, I can keep my 6.5CM under 1" at 100, but with the Ruger it seemed I was lucky to keep it closer to 1" and with an occasional flyer at 50 I was disappointed, again, it may have been me, it may have been the barrel, maybe I didn't torque things like I should or didn't find the right ammo or right whatever, but with the occasional FTE and FTF, and not as accurate as I was hoping. As it turns out, I wanted a .223 Howa Varmint and my friend wanted the 10/22 so I sold it to him and bought the Howa a few years ago, so I can't swear my memory is perfect on the ammo tried, or actual numbers but, this is what I usually do when trying to find the ammo a .22 likes and on a good day I can still shoot MOA or better with a good rifle and scope.

Now I don't hate Rugers, have many of them, GP100, Sec 9, lcp, lc9s, LCRs, my carry is a ruger, I have an RPR in .22 mag, so, this is not a Ruger Bash, my friend says he loves it and will never sell it, he plinks and likes to shoot at clays on a bank at 25 or so, and it will definitely do that, so he is happy.

As stated above, I may go down the 10/22 road again, I do like the variety of mags and all the after market support, so you can configure how you want. If I do, I suspect it wont be a target model, it will most likely start out as a base model and upgrades from there.

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Or, if you are looking to go 10/22 but different, the walnut-stainless international rifle is certainly not one you see at the range very often.

Mine has its likes and dislikes ammo wise, like most .22 rifles do.



25 yds, front bag rest.

It hasn’t shown match winning accuracy, but any .22 LR caliber-appropriate critter that is within 45-50 yards won’t walk off if I do my part. Plus it carries nicely and looks great.

Again, just a suggestion if you are looking for something a bit different .

Stay safe.

 

[Howland937]

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I have 2 of the old TC Classics, but niether has wood comparable to yours. They'll both out shoot any 10/22 in my family, but niether will outshoot the other. I should have bought 50 mags back when they were $10 each though. Plastic baseplate is a weak link and they're stupid expensive now.

 

[webrx]

Just buy a Kidd Supergrade complete rifle and be done with it.

Or just forget the whole thing, shoot the bolt action and buy a Pedersoli 1874 Sharps in 45/70 for about the same cost as the supergrade.

 

[jmorris]

JMorris, I shoot from a bipod typically, not a rest, .... But I bought the Target to have a more accurate 10/22.

Like a lot of stuff, you just have to try things and see what works best for you. For ultimate accuracy few will rely on a bipod though. The “target” version may well be more accurate than the standard Ruger barrel/band combination or something they thought would improve their sales vs aftermarket competition.

What kind of accuracy were you getting out of it?

One could buy the most accurate rifle in the world out there and the possibility of not getting the best results remain.

 

[webrx]

I seemed to be doing well to stay at an inch to an inch and a quarter at 50. I do remember changing scopes, and maybe it was just me but I did half that with the bolt action savage.

other than for others info, kinda moot at this point since I no longer have it.

I do not claim any accolades but can generally shoot MOA if the rifle is capable. I like everyone else have good days and bad. I read and even have seen some guys shoot half MOA with 10/22s and no, I don’t believe all I read on the net.

it could 100 percent just be me, I am a bolt fan and maybe subconsciously I and tricking myself with SA.

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[Skylerbone]

I think a base model with a Feddersen barrel would get you where you want to be. My trigger upgrade amounted to stoning the hammer to neutral and adding a lighter return spring from Kidd. Donor rifle and $200.

 

[d2wing]

VZ makes a good one I hear.
I meant CZ

 

[TSchwab25]

I dont own, but for sure want a browning sa-22, and from what I have heard they are pretty accurate. I also like the looks, and I think the design is neat too

 

[kilizyrag]

Yes, this Weatherby Mark XXII made in Italy. Then production moved to Japan. And then Savage bought the contract to produce, however Savage couldn’t meet Weatherby standards and the line was discontinued in about 2002, if memory serves.

Shoots under MOA at 50 yards, several ammunition types.

My Mark XXII was made in Japan. A great accurate squirrel shooter.