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People who say .223 isn't enough for deer aren't good enough shots to use a .223

It doesn't take that good of a shot to hit a 6 or 8" diameter kill zone at 100 yds with a rifle. I was in your camp years ago. I wanted to hit the exact spot I was aiming at and if I didn't I wasn't satisfied with my performance. What happened? I got busy with life

Hunter06: You never mentioned if you had a scope on the Mini-14. Makes a difference. That bullet will be fine. Be sure to practice with it at 100 yds. You need to know how well your Mini does and your own capabilities. Deer really aren't that hard to kill. It is just a question as to how fast you want to kill them or if you feel capable at tracking a wounded animal.
 
It doesn't take that good of a shot to hit a 6 or 8" diameter kill zone at 100 yds with a rifle.

NO IT DOES NOT! Hence my comment

I don't know about you but I don't shoot at deer. I shoot at places on the deer!

Shot placement and shooting skills coupled with confidence in your equipment is far more important than preception of what constitutes an adequate caliber.
 
nope no scope on the mini, im a pretty good shot with the factory iron sights
 
At 100 yards you don't need no stinkin' scope. LOL Only thing, I really like 'em at the wee hours of dawn and dusk. My eyes ain't getting any better, either, sorta appreciate glass. But, hell, I've been known to hunt with an iron sighted .357 magnum revolver, though I sorta prefer my scoped contender. :D
 
Wow these do get going on every hunting forum and the passions are the same, I recently picked up a CZ527 Carbine in .223, sort of a stubby varminter. Why well I got the rifle and 5 magazines for 500.00 NIB. So now it sports a Nikon 6-18 SF Buckmaster and shoots Blackhills 50 gr. vmax into neat little 1/2 inch holes at 100 yards, now if the Coyotes and ferel dogs around here get too close to the deer during hunting season and I find out that a 60 gr. Nosler will work in this rifle, I wouldn't be above shooitng bambi in a pinch. Oh and I do have a .243 for most deer hunting, but its not always with me.

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Krochus, easy man; I agree with you. I also shoot "places" on a deer or any animal for that matter. That is one of the reasons I prefer a scope. Shooting the "deer" is a great way to wound an animal. There is a sense of pride that comes from hitting where you are aiming. Field situations aren't like sitting on a bench and shooting. Off hand with a scope (and braced in a sling), I'm probably about a 6" shooter at 100 yds.

No, you don't need a scope. It is makes it easier to aim carefully for me especially with the military type sights on the mini's. Never liked those sights and I have never been in the military, not that being in the military would make me a good shot necessarily. I can hit a pie plate about every time with my mini at 100 yds with open sights from a rest. I don't consider that to be great shooting.
 
There are a few suitable soft points, if you drop down to 55gr there are a gazillion choices. Stay away from ballistic tip and HP rounds, maybe do a water jug test to make sure the round won't fragment like a varmint round.

I've got boxes of Barnaul steel cased 62gr soft points, in a pinch I'd take a deer with one. If you can take a good shot with it expansion won't matter too much, just stay away from varmint rounds, unless you love eating coagulated meat with bits of metal in it. ;)
 
There is deer and then there is deer, there is hunting sitting in a cozy stand on even ground to in the wide open sage brush or heavy timber and steep rugged mountains, warm sunny days to freeze a$$ blowing snow hunting.
Plenty of things can and do affects the size of the animal and or how the shot is or should be taken. I have shot deer where a 223 woulda been just fine and then like earlier this week I woulda hated to have shot the two we did with a 60 grain bullet for far more reasons than I am gonna get into here. Situations are different in different areas and a guy otta use what he knows is right for the hunt he is doing, not just cause if everything is right and it can.
Ya gonna shoot a small animal from a stand where you have all the time you need to make that perfect shot on a grazing critter or are you hunting in rugged terrain where the animals tend to be fairly good size, and if your lucky will stop a very few seconds and give you a quick off hand shot?
It isn't fun if they run to the bottom of a 60 degree hill and your gonna have to drag em back up outa there.

I don't even wanna hear this "deer NEVER run if you hit em right" Killed and seen killed far to many to buy that. I have shot deer through both lungs that ran a couple of hundred yards blowing chunks of lung out as they went, others collapse never taking a step.

Blanket statements that a guy can't shoot straight because of the fact he don't use what someone else thinks is enough caliber don't seem brilliant to me. In a nut shell I would say don't send a boy to do a man's job, person or caliber it just ain't real smart.
 
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eliphalet, you always get your drawers twisted in a wad over this subject. It amuses me to no end to read your comments about 223 vs deer. I agree that it is not the best deer caliber on the market, but in many areas it is certainly sufficient. I would like to have the extra umph of a 243, but the OP asked about a 223. The 223 is fine as long as you take your time and place your shots well. Use the heavier bullets like the TSX and the Winchester Power points and it should serve you well inside of 200 yards. Remember that a hunter that hunts with a marginal caliber should never take marginal shots.
 
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Remember that a hunter that hunts with a marginal caliber should never take marginal shots.

Marksman...there is an awful lot of wisdom in that statement.

Yeah, when I read that bit about off hand shots with a couple of seconds to get on him, that's exactly what I thought. My Grandpa always taught me to never shoot off hand, always seek a rest. Well, over the years, I've killed game shooting off hand and even running. Inside 50 yards if I have time to get on him, it ain't that big a challenge. I even killed one doe about 85 yards off hand on the run, I had time to swing on her. When I was a kid, I'd shoot rabbits on the run with a .22, now THAT'S tough compared to a deer, but you do need time to settle on the target.

But, generally I ALWAYS seek a rest. I try to NEVER take a marginal shot regardless of caliber of the gun. Caliber does not make up for poor shot placement.

Maybe I'm not a macho he man mega-outdoorsman, but I hunt mostly from a stand with a gun rest built into it. Out west, I always carry my shooting stix. That's how come I've not lost a deer in all these years....knock on wood. Best way to anchor 'em is to break a shoulder/shoulders. They won't go anywhere if ya do that. Ruins some meat, but you won't lose the deer. I'd not try that with a .22, though, simply lung shots.
 
Try one of the R3 recoil pads from Remington. (These are made for Remington by LimbSaver I believe or Remington makes them under license.) It works. You could always learn to shoot from the other side.
 
Sorry, I knew it was monday. But if you put "223 deer" in the search function you'll get 12 pages of threads as a result.
 
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hunter06:

Several folks have given some good advice regarding decent .223 hunting bullets.

I think the greater problem is your shoulder's inability to withstand recoil and how that may limit your hunting opportunities. If this is a long-term or permanent situation, you might want to do some thinking. If it is short-term...never mind. :)

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It seems that you are in TN and they allow semi-autos for hunting, since you plan to use your Mini-14?

Thinking on this, I was always amazed at the difference in recoil between my Rem 12ga 1100 semi & my dad's 12ga O/U. That heavier gas-operated semi just turned heavy recoil into something much more manageable.

Perhaps you need a heavier gas-operated semi rifle to get you a more potent hunting cartridge? My first thought was an AR10 chambered in .260Rem. The 6.5mm 140gr bullet is supposedly good on the largest of non-dangerous North American game.

Slap a muzzle break on the end and stuff a hunk of lead in the cleaning kit void in the stock and the subjective recoil would be even less.

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Anyway, good luck with your Mini in the woods.
 
Could pick up a Hakim, I guess. It's VERY light on the shoulder, very accurate, and fires 8x57. However, you'll have to carry it with your good shoulder. It weighs enough that my headlights in my 3/4 ton van point skyward when it's in the back. :D It takes up most of the van, too. It does have a very effective muzzle break. Wonder if a good muzzle break would work with the .270 to attenuate it enough for the bum shoulder? Don't forget the ear plugs, though.
 
Good ideas on the auto's guys. For the wife's deer rifle we wanted a 243 but long story short, the gun we got was a 270. I backed off from factory 130 grain bullets about 300 FPS or so and we are using a recoil pad. We're still in the 2600 FPS or therabouts and you would be amazed at the difference in recoil from that and full house 150's from the same gun, which is why I had suggested a 243 several posts ago in case the OP doesn't reload. 22 calibers can and Will kill deer but all things considered there are better choices out there.
 
What do you guys think would be better:The 60 gr. partition from federal,the 62 gr. dpx from corbon, or the 64gr. power point from winchester?
 
7.62x39 will have a little more recoil than a .223 but still less than a .243. Most would find it more appropriate for deer.
 
I handloaded a 135 Sierra Pro Hunter (no longer available) for my SKS. I don't have a good answer for factory ammo. The commercial stuff is pretty pathetic, or at least that's what I understand, haven't chronographed any. The Wolf "hunting" hollow points don't really give me confidence. If I start hunting with that thing again (I have far better rifles) I'll handload something for it, maybe a light Nosler BT or something in controlled expansion like Barnes. It seems to stabilize .308 diameter bullets adequate for hunting. I was getting 3 moa out of my SKS. Don't expect an AK to shoot as well as an SKS in my experience.


The SKS is probably pretty close to 8 lbs, never weighed it, but it's heavy for its size. And, the caliber is light and being a gas auto, it's pretty light on the shoulder. I would definitely fall back on this rifle if I had to. It's good to near 200 yards with a good load. I sighted my reloads 3" high at 100 and it was dead on at 200, though at 6" groups, it wasn't a tack driver. But, think about it, the bullet is going to go within 3" of your POA, dead deer on a broad side shot and it is packing just shy of 1000 ft lbs at 200 yards with that handload. A boat tail bullet might be a little over 1000 ft lbs. It pretty much mimicks my 12" Contender in .30-30 except that it can't handle really heavy bullets do to a tiny case capacity. 150 is pushing things in that caliber.

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