Nature Boy
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So does this thing de-bur, clean the edges after trimming so they're ready to load?
No, you’ll need to perform those as separate steps
So does this thing de-bur, clean the edges after trimming so they're ready to load?
if it doesn't chamfer and deburr, you should return it without even opening it and just go ahead and spend the extra $37 on the Giraud triway trimmer which trims, chamfers and deburrs the case at the same time. I have one in .223 and one for .308. You can trim, deburr and chamfer somewhere around 500 cases in an hour with it. Trying to chamfer and deburr 500 cases by hand after you just got done trimming them sounds painfully stupid. If I'm loading for a bolt action rifle, I'll use my Forster original lathe style trimmer which also performs all three actions simultaneously but when it comes to semi-autos, the Giraud triway trimmer is worth every penny. Just make sure you get your cases resized consistently before you trim them or your trim lengths will vary (among other problems of course) and it's best to tumble the lube off of them before you jam them up into the trimmer. I assume this is "the case" with the little crow WFT as well.I have a little crow gun works .223 trimmer on the way. No telling if someday I'll bump up my volume, so might as well have a good tool for the start.
So does this thing de-bur, clean the edges after trimming so they're ready to load?
I can't seem to find info indicating whether it does or not, but yes if it doesn't I'm not interested in extra work.if it doesn't chamfer and deburr, you should return it without even opening it and just go ahead and spend the extra $37 on the Giraud triway trimmer which trims, chamfers and deburrs the case at the same time. I have one in .223 and one for .308. You can trim, deburr and chamfer somewhere around 500 cases in an hour with it. Trying to chamfer and deburr 500 cases by hand after you just got done trimming them sounds painfully stupid. If I'm loading for a bolt action rifle, I'll use my Forster original lathe style trimmer which also performs all three actions simultaneously but when it comes to semi-autos, the Giraud triway trimmer is worth every penny. Just make sure you get your cases resized consistently before you trim them or your trim lengths will vary (among other problems of course) and it's best to tumble the lube off of them before you jam them up into the trimmer. I assume this is "the case" with the little crow WFT as well.
I assume Nature Boy knows what he's talking about and he just said it doesn't in post #26, so. I actually ordered one of those WFTs off of Amazon and it came to me marked as having been Made in China which didn't seem right so I returned it immediately. I just wanted something fast and went with amazon but I returned it without ever using it and just bought another Giraud which took a little longer to come to me. They're kind of a pain to get set up initially and their consistency is totally dependent on your full length resizing consistency. If you start getting inconsistent trim lengths, there's a real good chance your resizing is inconsistent for some reason which can be pretty common when resizing once fired military cases of the 7.62 variety. It was less of an issue with 5.56 for me.I can't seem to find info indicating whether it does or not, but yes if it doesn't I'm not interested in extra work.
Darn it, I totally missed this comment. I'm going to return the gadget right away when it arrivesNo, you’ll need to perform those as separate steps
Here's how I load .223 on my 550, I do about 2-3K a year for match ammo in basically in 2 stages and I use 2 separate tool heads. This is mostly range pick-up brass from matches
that I process this time of year, post hunting season, chitty weather and dark early:
Stage 1:
1. De-prime on an old RCBS RockChucker
2. Wet tumble using SS pins
3. Dry in a "re-purposed" dehydrator
4. Check primer pockets; cull loose pockets, set aside crimped and swage them later
5. Anneal on my BC1000
6. Lube with Hornady 1 shot on a cookie tray, let sit for about 15 minutes
7. Size on the 550 using a tool head with just a FL sizing die on it
8. Run brass through a vibratory cleaner to take the lube off
9. Run through a Giraud tri-way trimmer on a drill press (just running them all through is faster than measuring)
Stage 2 usually 500 rd lots
1. Prime and load on the 550 with just a seating die
2. When boxing I set aside the PMC brass loads for the "long" stage. The rest go as mixed brass for the normal stages.
The precision/hunting loads go through the same basic steps, but are kept in 100 rd "lots", done on a single stage press, it a FL Bushing dies set for that rifle's chamber.
pretty sure my RCBS case prep center came with some chamfer/deburr attachments but I've never used them. On the rare occasions that I have to perform these steps, I just use the old fashioned hand held tool that has been around forever. I use the case prep center for everything else (crimp removal, flash hole uniforming, primer pocket uniforming and brushing the cases out). Anything that speeds up case prep is something you're really going to want for loading a bunch of military cases IMO and that RCBS case prep center has served me well for thousands and thousands of cases. I'm sure there are plenty of other good brands that would work just as well or maybe even better but that's what I bought.I'm going to have to chamfer and debur now, any tools/ bits recommended for those steps?
I've got a 3-Die Lee set on the way from ebay. I've got a caliber conversion kit on the way from Dillon..... I'm just debating on where to go as far as a trimming setup.
Then powder and bullets after that.
I'm just thinking on getting 1000 pcs of 55gr FMJ-BT (M193 projectiles) and whatever powder I find first that "Meets Requirements"
so to speak.....
WW-748
Varget
Or something similar.
I'm just looking to make some general purpose training loads, and if I'm able to make these more accurate than commercial "general purpose" ammunition, then I'll get into refining my techniques.... (I have a hunch that this will happen)
If it does happen, I'm highly interested in getting a load worked up for my Colt- CAR A3 HBAR that can shoot better than 2- 1/4" at 200 yds (the current record w/ factory ammo)....but I'm not going to strive for that out of the gate..... (FYI it has a 20" 1:9 twist HBAR stainless barrel)
At first Im looking to make some general purpose loads for AR platforms (mostly M4s w/ 16" 1/7 twist barrels) that I can do rifle drills with. The farthest I do that is to 100 yds, where I'm looking to hit the FBI "bottle" target somewhere about in the middle of it.....
Match quality probably not needed.
Most of this shooting im looking to hit it at 10-50 yds.
I'll see where this goes! Will be fun.
I appreciate all the tips and suggestions so far! Thank you.
FWIW, I have one .223 toolhead setup for trimming with an RL1500, and then another for loading. I don’t chamfer and debur .223, I just use a Lyman .22 M style expander. This is for a gas gun.I'm going to have to chamfer and debur now, any tools/ bits recommended for those steps?
Loading .223 may or may not be cheaper than buying cheap factory ammo right now, but it will give you ammo when you can't buy any, and that alone is worth it.
chris
1)About 1000pcs of mixed brass. By mixed, wholly smokes, do I mean MIXED.
I'm hard pressed to find 2 headstamps that are the same. They're all made of brass, and that's about it...... These are just what I happen to pick up over the years. I've left more brass from my MSRs over the years about ten fold than what I've collected, just cause I've never loaded for it.
2) Lee 3 die set for .223 with FCD
(Are these carbide? Will they last?)
They were very very cheap brand new. 38$ total.
3) caliber conversion Kit for 550 Dillon
About 75$
4) little crow gun works trimmer
(It arrived, and I'm pleased with its quality of construction, despite not chamfering/deburring) About-75$
5) 1 chamfer and 1 deburring drill bit
15$
6) 1000 pcs. of 55 gr. M193 projectiles w/ cannelure. 70$
I'll definitely keep this in mind. The way I see it is at least give idealism a try before going my own way (and I always do go my own way about things eventually) I did trim one or 2 cases already to 1.750" and most of them there was a few thousandths taken off each mouth, and barely looked like they needed chamfering or deburring. I forsee Boat-tailed bullets seating easier than anything I've loaded before, and the crimp stage possibly rolling any microns of "bur" that might be present...Unless the trimmer doesn’t make a good clean cut, I’d not worry about the steps in #5.
The Dillon trimmer doesn’t chamfer or deburr although it does cut at a slight angle away from the mouth. It’s still just fine for loading mixed brass 55 gn FMJ stuff. The BT don’t tend to catch on a sharp rim like a flat base bullet can.
It wont hurt though and it’s your time to spend.
No you Nailed it actuallyAnd stop using One Shot for rifle cases.
Or was that a bad guess?
And stop using One Shot for rifle cases.