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Lemons or not it speaks volumes on Henry's lack of quality. I had several quality issues with 2 brand new Henry rifles. Henry is very well known for their top notch customer service but there is a good reason everybody knows all about their customer service and that is because you need it.

I think they make up for lack of quality and quality control with top notch customer service. Their customer service really is as good as it gets. The customer service really impressed me but not enough to blind me.

Good rifles don't need a warranty (even though they do come with one).
When I buy a rifle I expect it to be 100% good right out of the box. If its not they shouldn't have let it go out the door.
 
I know I probably sound a little sore but if anyone spent $900 on 2 rifles and had the same experience I had they would feel the same way too. It just sucks that there are no good new lever action rifles made anymore in rimfire. The Browning with its short throw isn't a real lever gun... sorry but its not. The Henry is very cheaply made and the Marlins have been suffering with quality issues since Remington took over.

The only good options are an old Winchester 9422 or an old JM stamped Marlin 39. Problem is they are hard to find and high dollar.
 
QUOTE: It's approaching 100 years old by dating the serial number, and I'm going to replace it this year. Probably with a Henry :QUOTE


If its lasted 100 years that just proves it was a good gun. Why replace it if nothing is wrong with it?
 
SO, EVERY person who bought a Marlin 39 and had to send it back for repairs or go to the Marlin forum to get it going, (and there's LOT'S of them) should hate all 39's from that day on!

There's lot's of Henry levers around here, and not one of them has given any problems, including the thee that I own.

DM
 
Oh... so sorry to have offended you. I just told my experience. I guess we should also just ignore all the pot metal parts too?

The Marlin 39's didn't have pot metal parts so the ones that did have problems were actually worth fixing. No way was I going to go through all the trouble to possibly get a pot metal gun shooting good. There is a difference.

If you have a Henry and like it that's great. Enjoy it and don't get all bent out of shape over my comment stating my experience. It doesn't bother me one bit if you don't like the guns I like.

I also forgot to mention that my 22mag Henry didn't eject the shell casings very good. It just kind of rolled them out and I had to tip the rifle to the right as I threw the lever to make sure the casings didn't fall back into the chamber.

It wasn't just 1 or even 2 issues, it was many. But like I said that was just my experience... with 2 of them. The 22LR Henry ejected just fine though. Another thing I didn't mention is how heavy the triggers are on them. Henry has one of if not the heaviest trigger pull of any gun I have ever handled. Just one more thing that needed to be worked on and it wasn't worth it to me for what they were.

That's what these forums are for though, so people can share experiences and knowledge and take it for what its worth to them.
 
If you don't like the brand, that's your choice.

Do understand that your experiences are not the majority experiences, and again- every company puts out the occasional lemon.

The odds conjoined to give you a double episode of bad luck.

I've worked with probably 10 Henry rimfires in about 15 years, and the track record was so good I finally gave one as a first rifle to a nephew.
I have that much confidence in them, based on personal experience.
Denis
 
Oh... so sorry to have offended you. I just told my experience. I guess we should also just ignore all the pot metal parts too?

The Marlin 39's didn't have pot metal parts so the ones that did have problems were actually worth fixing. No way was I going to go through all the trouble to possibly get a pot metal gun shooting good. There is a difference.

If you have a Henry and like it that's great. Enjoy it and don't get all bent out of shape over my comment stating my experience. It doesn't bother me one bit if you don't like the guns I like.

I also forgot to mention that my 22mag Henry didn't eject the shell casings very good. It just kind of rolled them out and I had to tip the rifle to the right as I threw the lever to make sure the casings didn't fall back into the chamber.

It wasn't just 1 or even 2 issues, it was many. But like I said that was just my experience... with 2 of them. The 22LR Henry ejected just fine though. Another thing I didn't mention is how heavy the triggers are on them. Henry has one of if not the heaviest trigger pull of any gun I have ever handled. Just one more thing that needed to be worked on and it wasn't worth it to me for what they were.

That's what these forums are for though, so people can share experiences and knowledge and take it for what its worth to them.

I'm not offended at all... I asked a valid question and it seems to have got you pretty excited...

Did you know that Zamac is not pot metal? You can choose to call it that, but it isn't...

I don't have "A" Henry, I have THREE Henrys and one is chambered in 22 Win. Mag., all three work "perfectly"... There's lot's of them around here, all making their owners happy...

I also love the lighter weight of the Henry lever too, it's just so much handier than the over weight 22's!

I'm glad you like your 39, I'm sure it's a great 22...

DM
 
LOL If ZAMAK isn't pot metal what is it? Worse than pot metal? Atleast pot metal doesn't get brittle with age. ZAMAK supposedly isn't even a real metal but just has characteristics of metal. The down side to either is they don't resist wear like quality metals do. ZAMAK was made to be cheap. Everything I say on this site offends everybody. :cool:
 
Not a matter of offending people, just a matter of others not agreeing with you & pointing out better experiences than yours.

Zamac is not pot metal & is superior in terms of strength & wear.
Your comments are the first time anywhere that I've heard of any shrinkage issue.

The Henry uses steel where it's needed & Zamac where it's not.

The guns are simply not the "junk" you're trying to make them out to be.
Denis
 
I think you'll like the Henry 22. They are very smooth to operate and function reliably. They are not a rifle to mount a scope on in general however. The Henry 22 rifles are not junk. They actually are fun little rifles.

My favorite was always the Marlin 39A. Never really cared for the 39AS with the safety. I have one with the safety and people are always asking how to operate the rifle.

Missed the Winchester 9422's... they were very good. The Browning BL-22 is a quality little 22 rifle but too small for me.

Another old 22 lever gun was the Mossbery M402. It tended to have jamming issues if you tried to work the action slowly... such as hunting and trying to do it quietly.
 
Further-
I own a 100-year-old Marlin .22 & a 10-year-old 39.
And a Win 9422.
I've worked with three Brownings now.
Along with all the Henry .22 leverguns I mentioned earlier.

Every Henry .22 I've ever fired has shot at LEAST as well as the Marlins & Brownings, and on that recent head-to-head between the BL-22 & GB, markedly better than the Browning.
I have a very good basis for comparisons. :)

I find it hard to believe that Henry'd still be selling their rimfire leverguns by the boatload after almost two decades if they were wearing out prematurely & exhibiting widespread Zamak shrinkage.
Denis
 
You will see many other reviews similar to mine on other sites. I have read dozens of bad reviews but most got it straightened out after the first customer service try. Others have had to send them back to Henry to get fixed. Its not unusual at all, although its not the majority.

The reason you dont see many bad reviews on here is because they are rarely talked about on here. The majority on here mostly talk about 10-22's, AR's, Glocks, 1911's and 45's.

Most forgive the lack of quality control because of the top notch customer service Henry has. I always give credit where credit is due. If you like your Henry's good for you, I'm not stopping you. I dont know why everyone has to get all bent out of shape.
 
Quote: I find it hard to believe that Henry'd still be selling their rimfire leverguns by the boatload after almost two decades if they were wearing out prematurely & exhibiting widespread Zamak shrinkage. :Quote

Taurus, HiPoint, Kel Tec and many others also continue to sell a lot of guns. People love low price tags. Henry is by far the cheapest priced lever guns you can buy, that is a good selling point. They also heavily advertise MADE IN THE USA like they are the only ones.
 
I spent an afternoon shooting two .22LR rifles with a shooting buddy of mine. I have a Browning BL-22 and he has a Henry (not sure of model).

Both rifle operated flawlessly and both are as accurate as they need to be I think. They are completely different rifles. The Browning is smaller than the Henry. The Henry has a "big rifle" feel to it and the Browning (to me) has a quicker feel to it and is easier to point. Now for the opinion part... and remember... the Browning is much more expensive than the Henry. I think the Browning is much better quality. It's properly blued and all the critical parts appear to be nicely machined steel. It has a high quality feel to it. The action of the lever feels heavier to me, but it is far shorter than the Henry's long throw. Both rifles send a .22 bullet down the range. For me, I really like a quick handling little .22 rather than a larger rifle, but that's just me. If I want something larger, I take my Winchester Model 62 or one of my other .22s. None of my rifles have ever required any service from the manufacturer and that is as it should be, I think.

What makes our country so great is that we can all have opinions and state them. Also remember that this is "The High Road", and we need to realize that all opinions are not the same. I make it a habit to never criticize a guy's partner, his dog, his choice of vehicle... and most of all, his guns! I'm not a moderator, so I'll shut up now. :)

Go forth and buy what floats YOUR boat and be a happy shooter!
 
Price matters a lot. For years I wanted a Marlin 39A because I didn't own a lever action 22 rifle. The price always made me re-consider. I own better 22 or at least more accurate 22 rifles than the Henry, Marlin, and I suspect the Winchester 9422. But I always just wanted a 39A due to memories as a kid shooting my brother's Mossberg and my other brother's BL-22. They were just fun rifles, and 22's are all about fun! It was only later that I started to focus on out of the box accuracy with 22 rifles. I own a Henry Mare's Leg in 22LR. Bought it for a fun plinker to go with all the other 22 rifles and handguns I own. It functions very smoothly and is a blast to shoot. But I don't usually recommend them for folks wanting practical accuracy in a 22 rifle.

I have no problem recommending a Henry 22 rifle. Mounting a scope is a bit clumsey (side mount), but still a fun rifle.
 
The Browning has a steel receiver outer "shell".
The main large assembly inside that shell, what they call the "frame", is aluminum.
The steel parts do their job inside an alloy assembly, so do the Henrys.
Denis
 
I'm all on board with people buying whatever they like and all of us having different tastes. You put the toppings you like on your pizza and I'll do the same with mine. However somewhere along the line this topic changed into which lever 22's are better. Subjectively you can pick anyone you like as your favorite but objectively some are simply made to be better then others. Even if we all agree just for the sake of argument that they all work, lets even go as far as saying that they all work about equally as well as one another (which I don't really believe is the case but just for the sake of argument). What still remains is that they are not equal in terms of how well they are made and how long they will last.

The simple fact is, the Henry 001, 22 (or the old Erma/Ithaca 72) wasn't designed to be as good as the Marlin (or the Browning) from the start. It was designed to be cheaper to produce. Hence, the use of Zamak which is cheap and easy to cast. It offers no advantages from a gun performance or longevity standpoint except maybe resistance to corrosion. There are many different Zamak alloys but roughly speaking when fresh cast it is about half as strong as mild steel. As it ages it will certainly loose about 1/3 of it's original strength and become more brittle. This isn't speculation it is fact and has been tested many times. The effects of more extreme age on zinc alloys are largely unknown. Die cast model and train collectors have seen once perfect 80 year old models made of zinc/aluminum alloys become "crazed" and begin to literally crumble in the span of 1 year. So, regardless of which lever gun subjectively feels better, looks better or whatever they are not made equal. Try doing a search for zinc or Zamak fatigue over time and then tell me how well made the Henry is.

I find it hard to believe that Henry'd still be selling their rimfire leverguns by the boatload after almost two decades if they were wearing out prematurely & exhibiting widespread Zamak shrinkage.

I don't find it hard to believe. It sells for half the price of it's lever action competitors. If Americans didn't price shop there wouldn't be Walmarts all over the place. Joe average shooter unfortunately doesn't shop for something that will last a life time, he buys something that will serve his immediate purpose at the lowest possible price. Why is that unfortunate? Because we loose the availability of lots of really good guns that way, but hey, that's the marketplace. There are other guns out there that have sold by the millions but hardly represent the pinnacle of gun making. What is considered the acceptable lifespan or premature wear in a 22? 5 years? 20 years? 50 years? 10,000 rds? 20,000 rds? 200,000rds? Marlin 39s have gone well past 1 million rds.

The Browning has a steel receiver outer "shell".
The main large assembly inside that shell, what they call the "frame", is aluminum.
The steel parts do their job inside an alloy assembly, so do the Henrys.

While it may look to an untrained eye that the internals of the Henry and the Browning are similar in materials and quality there is really no comparison. The machined aluminum frame and steel receiver is far superior to the Zamak frame with the cheap powder coat metal cover held on with screws and star washers of all things. The Henry is built like a cap pistol or a cheap pellet gun, literally, Zamak is what is frequently used in these applications.

Zamac is not pot metal & is superior in terms of strength & wear.
Your comments are the first time anywhere that I've heard of any shrinkage issue.

Ah… yes it is "pot metal"

Pot metal—also known as monkey metal, white metal, or die-cast zinc—is a colloquial term that refers to alloys of low-melting point metals that manufacturers use to make fast, inexpensive castings.
 
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BOOM! Very well said!^^

definition of pot metal is... Pot metal—also known as monkey metal, white metal, or die-cast zinc—is a colloquial term that refers to alloys of low-melting point metals that manufacturers use to make fast, inexpensive castings.

So ZAMAK is pot metal or a low grade pot metal.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but none of them are made for competition, they are made for fun and shooting very small game at relatively close range.

I also do not need it to last for generations as I do not have a son or grandson to pass it on to. If after 80 years it becomes "crazed" and begins to crumble it doesn't really matter as I will have been dead for at least 40.

I appreciate high quality firearms as much as the next guy and do have a few in the safe, if I wanted a $800-$1000 rifle I could have one. I just don't really see the point (but will soon I'm sure! :) ) to plink soda cans and other such stuff in the desert. This will get knocked around and bought strictly for fun. Made in the USA is good too!

When I looked up Zamak I too saw there were many different flavors, I wonder which one is used for the rifles?

Once in AZ I may buy a browning too... :)
 
moe.ron I really do wish you good luck and lots of fun with your new rifle. As I said before they are probably made "good enough" to meet or even exceed most peoples expectations. We really should focus more on what we have in common, an appreciation for lever guns, rather than one over the other. I just get tired of whats good and bad being determined by a popularity contest instead of the facts.
 
There are 5 types of ZAMAK. The Henry uses ZAMAK 5.

ZAMAK 2 is the strongest of all ZAMAK
ZAMAK 3 is the base ZAMAK you can say
ZAMAK 5 is the same as ZAMAK 3 but with 1% more copper for a little added strength and corrosion resistance
There is also ZAMAK 4 and ZAMAK 7.
 
Carry on, I can't add anything more to what I've already said beyond too many make the mistake of equating the Zamak Henry uses with CHEAP pot metal & the stuff used in die-cast toys, which it isn't.

Don't buy if you don't like, the rest of us will be quite happy with what we have.
Denis
 
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