.243 or .270?

[Lupinus]

ok went gun fondeling and have settled on a Rem 700 with scope combo likely in .270 since I can use the reduced recoil factory loads, according to the people at both shops the reduced recoil 270 ammo will have less recoil then the 243 would. And price is right at 429 plus tax little over the maximum I wanted to set for myself but they have a layaway and with 60 days to pay it off it shouldn't be any problem at all.

I forget the exact dang model already (been long day before gun fondeling) was synthetic stock and had the slightly lessor quality recoil pad then the more expensive 700's.

Going to go do the paperwork and get that puppy on layaway on friday or saturday

 

[Terrierman]

Were I in your shoes Mr. Lupinus, I'd shop for a better quality used rifle and open up the chambering choices to any of the mid range rounds, including .243, 6mm Remington, 260 Remington, 7mm-08, 7x57, 257 Roberts, etc, and focus on getting a decent rifle. The chambering is actually pretty low on the totem pole of what one should be looking for in a rifle. Higher items on the totem pole include fit, a good trigger, decently smooth action, weight, sights (whether irons or telescopic, sights are pretty important), magazine blind, detachable, hinged floorplate?), safety type and location (read ergonomics here) and a bore that has been properly cared for and is not worn out. IMHO, the better quality used rifles include Remington 700's, Winchester 70's, Ruger 77's, Browning A-Bolts, and Weatherby's. If I had a bad shoulder, I would stay away from the light weight end of the spectrum and get a full sized and weight rifle in any of the above calibers and hang a decent scope on it. You'll spend about the same $$$$ and have more rifle at the end of the day, it will hold up, a decent scope will hold zero and your shoulder won't get beat to a pulp either.

But if you have your heart set on new and nothing else will do, Savage or Stevens have it all over the 710.

 

[Lupinus]

the 700 fit me very well and am goin with that and am likely gonna stick with the .270 and use reduced recoil loads

 

[KINGMAX]

Go w/ .270

Go w/ the .270, and go w/ a REMINGTON 700. I have yet to be dissapointed w/ mine. Shoots great, feels good, looks good as well.

 

[ernieb]

I can definitely agree on going with a Rem. 700, but have you looked at what the actual difference (ie: velocity (fps), energy, etc.) between the reduced-recoil .270 ammo and full-power .243 ammo would be?? I haven't looked up the numbers, but I would almost bet that a .270 with reduced-recoil ammo won't be much more, ballistically speaking, than a .243.

 

[Lupinus]

not sure but at the least I can use the reduced recoil for my paper punching and the full power for hunting

I can take the recoil, I jsut can't take much of it. So for hunting where I would only be taking one maybe two shots if I happen to screw up it isn't going to be a problem, but with paper punching it would be for obvious reasons.

The only bad thing is the recoil pad isn't as good as the mroe expensive models, that cna be easily enough fixed however.

 

[ernieb]

Lupinus,

I can feel the pain - re: your bad shoulder, I have 2 bad ones as well. I'm still sticking with my Rem. CDL 30-06 for deer hunting, but I don't think it will be long before I get something a little lighter. My CDL has the R3 recoil pad but I can't really see much difference in the kick vs. a normal thick recoil pad. The .270 is an excellent round, no question, but when you have to choke it down with the managed recoil ammo, it takes away all the reasons for owning a .270 IMHO. However, if you went with a .243 in the same Rem. 700, especially with the 1-9.25 twist barrel, you would have a rifle that would be not only excellent for deer (I've killed MANY with a .243), you also have a terrific varmint rifle, or paper-puncher for that matter. With the 9.25" twist, there is a tremendous amount of factory ammo for any concievable type of shooting you may want to do. BTW, I have a ballistic chart comparing the .270 managed-recoil ammo vs. the full power .243. If you would like me to e-mail it to you, just let me know.

 

[Lupinus]

true, but liek I said one or two shots wont be a problem it is only paper punching and therefor a lot of rounds where recoil is going to be a problem and I am figureing to use the reduced recoil for my paper punching and the full power for any hunting I do. I still might go with the .243 but I am definatly looking into the .270 a bit more with the managed recoil.

 

[kentucky_smith]

Find something with a BOSS and wear good hearing protection.

My .280 featherweight is a pussycat. Scares people at the range though.

 

[ernieb]

Lupinus,

I gave up trying to get that comparison file on here so I sent it to your e-mail...

 

[22-rimfire]

Good choice Lupinus. If I were you and liked to shoot, I would begin thinking about getting a 223 rifle for paper punching and varminting. It can wait until you are ready financially. A lot of people really like the 204 Ruger. The 22 hornet is making a comeback too these days. But the 223 is hard to beat for general shooting out to 200-250 yds or so. I really want to get a 22 Hornet and the Savage may be the ticket; but I prefer a box magaziine over a single shot.

 

[Lupinus]

yeah while it might have been cheaper I dislike single shot rifles esspecialy if I plan on hunting with it. If I do mess up and need a followup shot I want it to be quick, not to take forever

 

[michael_aos]

I'd suggest .243 or even better 260 Remington.

Mike

 

[ernieb]

Mike,
Good point on the 260 Rem.. I hadn't thought of it but it's definitely one of the best, although too often overlooked, calibers out there. Very light recoil for the amount of umph you get out of it. As a matter of fact, I'm considering an Ackley-ized version of the .260 for a second 1,000-yrd. benchrest rifle to go along with my 6.5-284.

 

[Lupinus]

rechecked the add btw

700 ADL synthetic stock combo with a 3-9 40mm scope to be exact about it

And 399, I need to recheck adds before posting I really do

 

[KINGMAX]

Just back from the range

That little REMI 270 ADL is just great. I am hitting three-round groups at 75-125 yards that can be covered up with a nickel to a half-dollar every time.

It will be this seasons Whitetail Slayer for sure. You know it won't be long until the will be on us. Practice, practice, practice,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Lupinus]

just out of curiosity cause it is a question in the back of my mind

whats the recoil like in a 7mm rem mag?

Not planning on it just more out of curiosity then anything

 

[Terrierman]

I think 7mm Remington Magnum and .30-06 are very similar in felt recoil when shot from similar rifles. Maybe a slight edge to the 7mm. Neither are what I would call punishing until you get in the light rifles from the bench.

 

[mnrivrat]

whats the recoil like in a 7mm rem mag?

All other things being equal it can be quite stout. The first 7MM mag I fired was a Herters Mauser action that I had bought in their close out section for $25 and mounted in a $10 seconds stock bought from them also. I had just left the plastic checkered butt plate on the stock when going out to test fire this gun. After two rounds I peeled back my shirt to a big red checked blotch on my shoulder. Recoil was more than the 30-06 I had been shooting that's for sure .

Lots of variables however are built into the guns that effect the felt recoil. The weight of the gun, the butt pad, stock drop and how the gun fits you in general are some of the things that will effect felt recoil. There are also compensators like the KDF systems that in fact do work, and make a significant step toward taming recoil. My friends Remington 700 in 7mm Mag is fitted with a KDF and I would compare it to a 270 in recoil - perhaps less.

 

[Onslaught]

Check out this site for a very entertaining recoil table. According to this, the .270 recoils like a .308, and the .243 at least 30% less.

I vote for the .243, but then I'm a self professed recoil sissy anyways.

 

[Lupinus]

yeah but the .270 can use hotter loads with heavier bullets when I'll be doing one or two shots for hunting, and managed recoil loads would bring it below standard .243.

Plus the .270 is on sale for fifty bucks off

 

[Lupinus]

got it on layaway, glad I went today the place was packed and none of the guns that are on sale are gonna last long at the rate they are selling, never seen a gun counter that busy before.

 

[ernieb]

Lupinus,

Congratulations on your new Rem. 270! As far as calibers go, it definitely fits in that often talked about senario "If I could only own just one caliber..." The great Jack O'Connor certainly put the .270 through its paces during his illustrious career and often spoke about it as the best all-around caliber ever made.

BTW, I don't know if you've seen them or not but you can buy a recoil pad that fits over your shoulder and is held in place with a strap system similar to a shoulder holster rig for a handgun. You can wear them under your hunting jacket, they're not too bulky and are comfortable enough to wear all day. I had one I used to use when I was developing loads for my .300 Wthby. mag. and they did a good job with the recoil from it. BTW, a .300 Wthby. will really kick your butt when you are shooting it off the bench for a couple hours at a time!! You can get them from MidwayUSA, Mid-South Shooters Supply, etc.. Be careful & enjoy!!!

 

[nitesite]

BTW, I don't know if you've seen them or not but you can buy a recoil pad that fits over your shoulder and is held in place with a strap system similar to a shoulder holster rig for a handgun. You can wear them under your hunting jacket, they're not too bulky and are comfortable enough to wear all day.

PAST Recoil Reduction. Great stuff...

http://www.battenfeldtechnologies.com/past.html

 

[Lupinus]

going back tomorrow when I get paid to pick up various little stuff, I just wanted to get it on layaway before they ran out. I saw several of the 12 on sale go before I got my chance to get ahold of one of the counter guys, and only 5 of those 12 were 270's. And I was there when the door opened and in the first group to the counter, in an hour they must have sold literaly fifty guns the place was a madhouse and people were buying up the little single shot 17hmr rossi's they had on sale like hot cakes. So since it was that busy I'm glad I got there early when I did cause I wouldn't be surprised if there is none left when I go in tomorrow for the other stuff.

Going to check out the lead sled they have on sale for 99 bucks and see if they have any shoulder recoil pads, this way I can shoot a good amount of time with my 30-30 too and I don't wanna stick a recoil pad on that.....something about a recoil pad on a levergun just seems wrong lol.