All the 7600s I've seen have been capable of that or better. I think someone already said it, get a 7600 AND an 1894c.
30-30, 30-06 & .357 carbine: compare/contrast
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All the 7600s I've seen have been capable of that or better. I think someone already said it, get a 7600 AND an 1894c.
If you do go to Big5 ALWAYS ask if "Thats the best price you can do"
They always go on "sale" 1 month it will be the winchester, 3 months later it will be the marlin. If you ask for the best possible price, they will give you the "sale price" if its not on sale at that point in time.
(They did for me at least, for my Marlin, and Mossberg)
They always go on "sale" 1 month it will be the winchester, 3 months later it will be the marlin. If you ask for the best possible price, they will give you the "sale price" if its not on sale at that point in time.
(They did for me at least, for my Marlin, and Mossberg)
The .357 is the first handgun "magnum" round and was created based on hot .38 Special loads in the 1930's. The .357 out of a handgun can reach about 600 ft. lbs. Out of a carbine it picks up a lot of juice, but is still inferior in power to a high powered rifle round. Also, the FN design of most of its projectiles seriously limit its effectiveness over range. I would say it's a sweet cartridge for close range shots at *smaller* members of the deer family.
The .30-30 is an early smokeless powder rifle cartridge from the 1890's. Its rimmed bottleneck design is considered archaic and is similar in shape and origin to the 7.62x54R and .30-40 Krag. The big benefit of the design is that it seems to be more tolerant of headspace variation. The big drawback is rimlock in a box magazine. The .30-30 is a fairly low-powered round hitting with between 1,800 and maybe 2,200 ft. lbs. If fired from a levergun spitzer bullets cannot be used, again decreasing its effectiveness over range. That said it's a proven deer killer inside of 150 yards and is loads of fun. The ammo can be oddly expensive in spite of its ubquity, so handloading is a real good idea. Barnes makes some cool hunting bullets just for the .30-30 that are worth getting. It's a really good cartridge for home defense, though few will admit this. It's also seen a lot of unofficial use in rural law enforcement, esp. before cops started getting AR's. It's powerful enough to blow a goblin down hard, but not so powerful it will deafen everyone or overpenetrate too badly.
The .30'06 was America's answer to German's ultra high-tech high-velocity 8x57JS and its spitzer bullet in the runup to WWI. It's based on a stretched out 7x57 Mauser catridge and is in the same Mauser family even if its adherents don't always want to admit it. Loaded to WWI or WWII ball levels its about as potent as a .308, but its big cartridge has a lot more potential and can be cranked up to very impressive light magnum levels. Its power ranges from around 2,300 to 3,100 ft. lbs. and it can fire a very wide array of rounds from little sabot zippers to honking great 220 and 250 grain crossbow bolts. This gives it tremendous versatiliy and power.
MechAg94:
I would recommend a Garand or 03A3 any time.
Savage's Model 11 bolt action rifle- mine being a left handed .243Winchester- is a good rifle at a good price.
Savage used to make the Model 340 in, among other calibers, .30-30. I just picked up a pretty nice one. I'll have to tell ya'll how it does when I get to the range and shoot it.
stoky:
That's it's sure enough effective killing range for a hunting situation, but until it loses enough umph to fall below 300fps, it's not through being potentially lethal. I wouldn't recommend anything but a sure thing kill shot with a heavy loaded .357mag carbine. Having said that, I have hunted deer with .357 and .30-30 and have no qualms about it.
Actually, if you handload spitzers (not in a tube magazine fed levergun) .30-30's effective out to 300yds if the shooter does his/her part. But for a lightweight brush/walking gun, I don't think you can really go wrong with a .357mag carbine/short rifle loaded with 158-180gr flat nosed SPs.
While .308 and .30-06 are considered "full power" rifle cartridges, they're no truer a rifle cartridge than .30-30. I know this because I shoot .30-30 and .30-06 ('94 and M1, respectively). I think the key to the '06's advantage as a long range hunting deal is the heavier bullets, between 180 and 220 grains. Whether a .30-06 or .308 either one is more accurate than the other depends on the ammo recipe, the rifle, and the shooter. But according to Layne Simpson in this month's Shooting Times, very good accuracy and killing power can be had out to 300yds by handloading the .30-30 with spitzer hunting bullets.
Cosmoline:
The difference between .38spl and .357mag is .1" of case length to accomodate a little more propelant without overpressurizing.
Get shot with a .357magnum rifle and you're just as shot as with an '06. The flat nosed projectiles may not fly as far but they're just as deadly when they do hit. Smaller members of the deer family? Put a 158-180gr SP running 1500-1600fps through a deer's upper lungs and he ain't going far.
If you take an objective look at .30-30, it ain't so archaic looking. Although it is from the 1890's, it's just as deadly within 200 with factory loads (300yds with spitzer handloads) as any supershorthyperfastultrafatmagnum. How far is the average hunting shot made? Usually within 100-150yds max. Mostly within 50-75yds, but it depends on location. Oh, BTW, you forgot to insult .303 British while you were at it and a lot of deer have been killed with it too. A cartridge don't have to be recess-rimmed to be effective. It's the bullet and powder charge that matters, as well as the shooter's ability to place the bullet.
That's why you stack 'em in the mag so each has it's rim ahead of the rim below it. Again, get shot with a .30-30 and your just as shot as with anything else.
Actually, you can use spitzer bullets in leverguns by chambering one round and loading one in the tube mag. You have to be real particular about one in the mag. Also, I mentioned some bolt actions floating around the marketplace chambered in .30-30 and I managed to snag one a couple of weeks ago. I go back to that Shooting Times article on handloading the .30-30. If you don't handload, ammo ranges from from $8 to $15 per 20rds.
I don't understand why so few will admit to .30-30 being good for home defense. .30-30 has probably killed more varmints (two-legged and four) than any so-called varmint cartridge.
I've known for some time from my reading that .30-06 and 8mm Mauser are balisticly nearly equivilent. Also, 8mm and '06 are based in the same case with the same sized case head. If the two are chambered in appropriately barreled K98's, they'll use the same stripper clips.
I would recommend a Garand or 03A3 any time.
Savage's Model 11 bolt action rifle- mine being a left handed .243Winchester- is a good rifle at a good price.
Savage used to make the Model 340 in, among other calibers, .30-30. I just picked up a pretty nice one. I'll have to tell ya'll how it does when I get to the range and shoot it.
stoky:
That's it's sure enough effective killing range for a hunting situation, but until it loses enough umph to fall below 300fps, it's not through being potentially lethal. I wouldn't recommend anything but a sure thing kill shot with a heavy loaded .357mag carbine. Having said that, I have hunted deer with .357 and .30-30 and have no qualms about it.
Actually, if you handload spitzers (not in a tube magazine fed levergun) .30-30's effective out to 300yds if the shooter does his/her part. But for a lightweight brush/walking gun, I don't think you can really go wrong with a .357mag carbine/short rifle loaded with 158-180gr flat nosed SPs.
While .308 and .30-06 are considered "full power" rifle cartridges, they're no truer a rifle cartridge than .30-30. I know this because I shoot .30-30 and .30-06 ('94 and M1, respectively). I think the key to the '06's advantage as a long range hunting deal is the heavier bullets, between 180 and 220 grains. Whether a .30-06 or .308 either one is more accurate than the other depends on the ammo recipe, the rifle, and the shooter. But according to Layne Simpson in this month's Shooting Times, very good accuracy and killing power can be had out to 300yds by handloading the .30-30 with spitzer hunting bullets.
Cosmoline:
The difference between .38spl and .357mag is .1" of case length to accomodate a little more propelant without overpressurizing.
Get shot with a .357magnum rifle and you're just as shot as with an '06. The flat nosed projectiles may not fly as far but they're just as deadly when they do hit. Smaller members of the deer family? Put a 158-180gr SP running 1500-1600fps through a deer's upper lungs and he ain't going far.
If you take an objective look at .30-30, it ain't so archaic looking. Although it is from the 1890's, it's just as deadly within 200 with factory loads (300yds with spitzer handloads) as any supershorthyperfastultrafatmagnum. How far is the average hunting shot made? Usually within 100-150yds max. Mostly within 50-75yds, but it depends on location. Oh, BTW, you forgot to insult .303 British while you were at it and a lot of deer have been killed with it too. A cartridge don't have to be recess-rimmed to be effective. It's the bullet and powder charge that matters, as well as the shooter's ability to place the bullet.
That's why you stack 'em in the mag so each has it's rim ahead of the rim below it. Again, get shot with a .30-30 and your just as shot as with anything else.
Actually, you can use spitzer bullets in leverguns by chambering one round and loading one in the tube mag. You have to be real particular about one in the mag. Also, I mentioned some bolt actions floating around the marketplace chambered in .30-30 and I managed to snag one a couple of weeks ago. I go back to that Shooting Times article on handloading the .30-30. If you don't handload, ammo ranges from from $8 to $15 per 20rds.
I don't understand why so few will admit to .30-30 being good for home defense. .30-30 has probably killed more varmints (two-legged and four) than any so-called varmint cartridge.
I've known for some time from my reading that .30-06 and 8mm Mauser are balisticly nearly equivilent. Also, 8mm and '06 are based in the same case with the same sized case head. If the two are chambered in appropriately barreled K98's, they'll use the same stripper clips.
Well, that's just it; a short shotgun's always better in close quarters than most anything. But, Sheriff Jim Wilson said he used a Marlin '94 in .44magnum on drug raids. A .30-30 will do the same duty in a pinch (which a HD situation is) as quick as anything. But some people think you have to have something specifically for disabling a threat. You know, back in the old days, most folks probably only had one or two, maybe three guns, and one of those was probably a shotgun for versatility. If it'll put meat on the table, it'll save your life in a pinch. Hence those who have a levergun handy reaching for it in that pinch. I'm not trying to argue anything here really. Just taking an objective look at how many uses one gun has and how many guns will do in a pinch.
FWIW, my bedside gun is either a 1911A1 or a .357 revolver. I like both. Some folks deer hunt with .357 revolvers and I wouldn't be past it. Under Georgia state hunting regulations, any centerfire handgun is legal to deer hunt with. I have some HP/XTP handloads (850fps and normally thought to be defensive) in .45ACP I beleive would do the job bringing down a deer. That doesn't mean I would normally use them (unless really up close) as I have some .45Colt handloads with HP/XTP's loaded to run 1200-1250fps for a Ruger's Blackhawk/Vaquero. I would say both are multi purpose loads, but one is better for deer hunting than the other.
But, now we've gotten away from the purpose of this thread.
Somebody mentioned getting a .44magnum revolver/carbine, or something to that effect and while that sounds good, I recall a real good arguement made for the .357mag based on kinetic energy and shock over the .44mag.
FWIW, my bedside gun is either a 1911A1 or a .357 revolver. I like both. Some folks deer hunt with .357 revolvers and I wouldn't be past it. Under Georgia state hunting regulations, any centerfire handgun is legal to deer hunt with. I have some HP/XTP handloads (850fps and normally thought to be defensive) in .45ACP I beleive would do the job bringing down a deer. That doesn't mean I would normally use them (unless really up close) as I have some .45Colt handloads with HP/XTP's loaded to run 1200-1250fps for a Ruger's Blackhawk/Vaquero. I would say both are multi purpose loads, but one is better for deer hunting than the other.
But, now we've gotten away from the purpose of this thread.
Somebody mentioned getting a .44magnum revolver/carbine, or something to that effect and while that sounds good, I recall a real good arguement made for the .357mag based on kinetic energy and shock over the .44mag.
Don't the .44 mag and .357 mag have similar velocities? I am not real familiar, but I am sure someone else is.
My .44 mag lever gun is longer than a short shotgun, but it holds 12 rounds in the tube. My old .357 mag Rossi has messed up sights, but it is short, handy, and holds 8 rounds. I'll take those over my full length shotguns. Buckshot won't spread at short home distances anyway. If I have more prep time, mag fed rifles would rule.
My .44 mag lever gun is longer than a short shotgun, but it holds 12 rounds in the tube. My old .357 mag Rossi has messed up sights, but it is short, handy, and holds 8 rounds. I'll take those over my full length shotguns. Buckshot won't spread at short home distances anyway. If I have more prep time, mag fed rifles would rule.
I'm not trying to dis the cartridge, but like my own beloved 54R it *IS* by definition archaic. That's neither good nor bad. It's just a fact. To my knowledge nobody has designed a new rifle cartridge that uses a heavy rim and a bottleneck case for a very long time. Certainly the trend has been to rimless rifle cartridges headspacing on the shoulder and to a lesser extent on the belt for magnums.
Did I ever say anything different? Obviously the cure for rimlock is to be careful about loading the magazine--or using a tube magazine. So what? My point was simply that potential rimlock is a drawback, and it is.
YOU can. I'm not going to do it
And I would never advise anyone else to try it. There are as you say some .30-30 bolt actions around as well as T-C's and other single shots and combination guns. For someone wanting to load spitzers in a .30-30, that's the way to go.Well, if somebody wants to consider anything over 90 years old archaic, .30-06 falls in there too, what with all these newfangled SM's and SSM's coming out. I don't see either of these to chamberings slowing down any.
Look back at my entire comment on spitzers in tube mags:
First off, I never said I would. I said, using "you" in the editorial sense, that it can be done. The shooter who does this must remember only one round goes in the magazine. But, I agree it's not something to be doing. Although I have single loaded spitzers in my '94 on the bench, I wouldn't be doing this or recommending in the field. That's part of why I snagged that 340 Savage.
Look back at my entire comment on spitzers in tube mags:
First off, I never said I would. I said, using "you" in the editorial sense, that it can be done. The shooter who does this must remember only one round goes in the magazine. But, I agree it's not something to be doing. Although I have single loaded spitzers in my '94 on the bench, I wouldn't be doing this or recommending in the field. That's part of why I snagged that 340 Savage.
Lever action seems popular lately...
It seems to me that there are a couple of posts a week about 357/44 magnum lever rifle.
I have been thinking about getting one for the last 3 years, but have not get around to get one.
This week, a Marlin 357 magnum is now on sale for $319.99.
I think I'll go to Big5 and pick one up tomorrow.
-Pat
It seems to me that there are a couple of posts a week about 357/44 magnum lever rifle.
I have been thinking about getting one for the last 3 years, but have not get around to get one.
This week, a Marlin 357 magnum is now on sale for $319.99.
I think I'll go to Big5 and pick one up tomorrow.
-Pat
You still don't seem to understand, the DESIGN is archaic. I never said the age alone made the .30-30 archaic. The basic Mauser family starting with te 7x57, 8x57 and so on is just as old but its design is not archaic. Nobody uses the heavy rimmed bottleneck design for modern cartridges. At least it's extremely rare. Maybe you could dig up a TC cartridge using the basic design or something--I don't have Cartridges of the World handy. But there's no doubt that the pattern largely died out by the second world war and we have only a few survivors still in common use, including the 54R and the .30-30. I did not use the term moribund because there are these survivors and they're doing quite well. But they're absoultely archaic designs--throwbacks to a much earlier era. That's one reason I like them.
HEY GUYS...
he asked for a recomendation, not a debate over cartridge oragins.
.357 carbine - A dandy deer rifle. Awesome with carbine only hand loads. 100yards or less on deer.
30-30. Great deer gun. Despite the bull-hocky of some people, it will do just fine on larger game such as elk at slightly shorter ranges, and with a good shot. Once upon a time the Remington 700 was chambered in 30-30. if you can find one GET IT. SNATCH IT UP LIKE THE DICKENS! Not only will this produce better accuracy, but the box mag will alow you to use spitzer type bullets, and throw of the ugly BC of the 170gr flat-point. But a lever action is fine also.
30-06.....Get a bolt gun. If it were me, id buy the savage. I will NEVER buy another bolt rifle withough accutriger. i can rant all day long, but it still wouldnt begin to say what an improvement accutriger is over standard.
if you want my personal recomendation...Get a Marlin 336 in 35Rem. You had one once, so your already familiar with it. the 35 hits a little bit harder, (about 2-3 hundred foot pounds at the muzzle) and a round-nose 200gr has a better BC than any round or flat nosed 30 cal iv ever seen a spec sheet for. Slap on a weaver scout mount and a red dot sight, and your set for Deer well past 200 yards, and youv even got a little more oomph if you decide to hunt something bigger.
he asked for a recomendation, not a debate over cartridge oragins.
.357 carbine - A dandy deer rifle. Awesome with carbine only hand loads. 100yards or less on deer.
30-30. Great deer gun. Despite the bull-hocky of some people, it will do just fine on larger game such as elk at slightly shorter ranges, and with a good shot. Once upon a time the Remington 700 was chambered in 30-30. if you can find one GET IT. SNATCH IT UP LIKE THE DICKENS! Not only will this produce better accuracy, but the box mag will alow you to use spitzer type bullets, and throw of the ugly BC of the 170gr flat-point. But a lever action is fine also.
30-06.....Get a bolt gun. If it were me, id buy the savage. I will NEVER buy another bolt rifle withough accutriger. i can rant all day long, but it still wouldnt begin to say what an improvement accutriger is over standard.
if you want my personal recomendation...Get a Marlin 336 in 35Rem. You had one once, so your already familiar with it. the 35 hits a little bit harder, (about 2-3 hundred foot pounds at the muzzle) and a round-nose 200gr has a better BC than any round or flat nosed 30 cal iv ever seen a spec sheet for. Slap on a weaver scout mount and a red dot sight, and your set for Deer well past 200 yards, and youv even got a little more oomph if you decide to hunt something bigger.
back to basics
, but that's another story....)
nice to see someone recommend it.
as much as i respect the .44 advocates, and even though the 30-06 appeals for that touted "takes any game in NA", for those long ranges (even though i hear what several have said about most kills being under 200 m), and I will handle some of the 30-06 bolts ... still, there's just something about that lever action 336 that just keeps calling me back.
i'm wondering though: if the SHTF, and TEOTWAWKI really did happen (just a hypothetical situation, mind you), would .35 be as readily available as 30-30?
i've been thinking about a 336 chambered in .35 today, like the one i once had, and have repeatedly said to self and others, i was just stupid to have sold it. (kinda like a couple of women i let walk awaymr.trooper said:
, but that's another story....)nice to see someone recommend it.
as much as i respect the .44 advocates, and even though the 30-06 appeals for that touted "takes any game in NA", for those long ranges (even though i hear what several have said about most kills being under 200 m), and I will handle some of the 30-06 bolts ... still, there's just something about that lever action 336 that just keeps calling me back.
i'm wondering though: if the SHTF, and TEOTWAWKI really did happen (just a hypothetical situation, mind you), would .35 be as readily available as 30-30?
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You know, Cosmoline, if that new caseless ammo and electronic ingnition ever catches on, they'll be saying anything brass-cased and using a firing pin is archaic. (I don't think it will, but unfortunately somebody went and said that about the horseless carriage.) But then, there's enough of us who can agree that we like "old stuff"... I see your reasoning from your last post about defining archaic. But, what I tend to think of as really archaic is anything older and less advanced than a Hawken.
Nematocyst-870, Get the 336 in .35 or .30-30 either one and don't look back. It's a toss up as to which ones better. You might find .30-30 ammo a mite easier to find. I've heard .35 kicks harder but you're driving a heavier bullet.
Nematocyst-870, Get the 336 in .35 or .30-30 either one and don't look back. It's a toss up as to which ones better. You might find .30-30 ammo a mite easier to find. I've heard .35 kicks harder but you're driving a heavier bullet.
huntsman
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I believe the Rem 7600P rifle in .308 (can find that caliber anywhere) would serve your needs. The 7600P is the new police model. It has ghost ring sights, 16inch barrel, and is tapped for a scope mount (Eotech Holo sight ). The only negative side is the low factory magazine capacity (5 rounds) but after market magazines hold up to 10 rounds. As you don't want to get into a prolonged gun fight if the SHTF the mag capacity should not be a problem (snipe then run 
). If recoil is a issue Rem also makes the 7600P in .223 and it takes AR-15 mags 
. Browning makes the BLR (lever action) in 30/06 if you must have that caliber. I also like th .357 carbines but they have limited range and power for hunting game. I think the choices you have discussed: Kahr, SP101, 870p, 7600P? would make a fine SHTF armory (covers all bases).
). The only negative side is the low factory magazine capacity (5 rounds) but after market magazines hold up to 10 rounds. As you don't want to get into a prolonged gun fight if the SHTF the mag capacity should not be a problem (snipe then run ). If recoil is a issue Rem also makes the 7600P in .223 and it takes AR-15 mags . Browning makes the BLR (lever action) in 30/06 if you must have that caliber. I also like th .357 carbines but they have limited range and power for hunting game. I think the choices you have discussed: Kahr, SP101, 870p, 7600P? would make a fine SHTF armory (covers all bases).Thats funny...last time i went to the hunting section of the local park'n shop, there was almost twice as much 35rem stocked as 30-30. 
Dreams of a Rem 7600P
Admittedly, I've not handled any of them yet (except for my long, lost Marlin 336 .35...baby, where are you now? I hope your current owner is treating you well ... )
But, something about the 7600P - profile, kick butt carbine look, pump action similar to the 870P, Rem's own description of the rifle - something is very appealing about it. It just looks ... functional, efficient as a hunter for < 200 m, compact (easy to carry), business-like & (yes, i admit it) BAD.
If someone laid $700 in my hands and told me I had to choose a lever gun tomorrow, it'd be a Marlin 336 in 30-30 or .35, plus the rest of the $700 in rnds. Hands down, no argument.
If the same deal applied to a bolt action 30-06 ... hmmm, verdict is still out.
But if I had the same $X and was left to my own devices, I'd buy that 7600P in a proverbial New York instant.
Now, I invite you to talk me out of this idea. Shake me intellectually and tell me what a fool I am for thinking of a pump .308 with a 16" barrel and ghost ring sights.
Go ahead; make my day. Even though i acknowledge that the decision will be mine alone, I'm listening to your advice, and appreciate your thoughts.
Nem
So, I gotta admit this: despite many fine recommendations in this thread (sincerely, thanks for your advice) about lever guns of several calibers (mostly 30-30) & bolt actions (including 30-06), I'm still currently (read "last 24 hours") most attracted to the 7600P.Kahr404life said:I believe the Rem 7600P rifle in .308 (can find that caliber anywhere) would serve your needs. The 7600P is the new police model. It has ghost ring sights, 16inch barrel, and is tapped for a scope mount (Eotech Holo sight
Admittedly, I've not handled any of them yet (except for my long, lost Marlin 336 .35...baby, where are you now? I hope your current owner is treating you well ...
)But, something about the 7600P - profile, kick butt carbine look, pump action similar to the 870P, Rem's own description of the rifle - something is very appealing about it. It just looks ... functional, efficient as a hunter for < 200 m, compact (easy to carry), business-like & (yes, i admit it) BAD.
If someone laid $700 in my hands and told me I had to choose a lever gun tomorrow, it'd be a Marlin 336 in 30-30 or .35, plus the rest of the $700 in rnds. Hands down, no argument.
If the same deal applied to a bolt action 30-06 ... hmmm, verdict is still out.
But if I had the same $X and was left to my own devices, I'd buy that 7600P in a proverbial New York instant.
Now, I invite you to talk me out of this idea. Shake me intellectually and tell me what a fool I am for thinking of a pump .308 with a 16" barrel and ghost ring sights.
Go ahead; make my day. Even though i acknowledge that the decision will be mine alone, I'm listening to your advice, and appreciate your thoughts.
Nem
You have a good eye, those patrol rifles are pretty cool. For some reason pump action centerfire rifles have never caught on much, but there's nothing wrong with them at all.
rbernie
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If you get a pump-action shottie, the 7600 will feel very similar; there's nothing wrong with standardizing on a manual of arms and a lot of good to be said for it.
Picking the 7600 wouldn't be my first choice (based admittedly on one poor experience with a late-model 7400), but if does have some logic to it *if* it also appeals to you.
Picking the 7600 wouldn't be my first choice (based admittedly on one poor experience with a late-model 7400), but if does have some logic to it *if* it also appeals to you.
Cosmoline & Rbernie, thanks for the positive feedback.
So, I'm thinking that a pump for the rifle makes sense. I believe strongly in the idea of "muscle memory" - athletes know it well - and having a similar design and action for both my long guns could be a positive thing.
The biggest decision I think I'd have if i go with the 7600 will be: standard 'hunting' 7600 in a 30-06 with 18.5" barrel, or 7600P in a .308 with that 16.5" barrel.
Admittedly, I'm not a LEO (except in astrological terms {which i don't buy into, by the way}), and I'm honestly more interested in a 7600 for hunting than for SD (pistols & shottie are more for SD/HD).
Still, there's something - almost intangible, based entirely so far on images alone - about that 7600P that appeals. I'll have to admit it could be an attraction to the 'dark side'.
Today is my 'day off', so I'm heading to my local gun store this afternoon to handle a few lever guns, bolts & - hopefully - pumps in larger calibers. I'll know more after that.
Rbernie, even though I recognize that the 7400 is a semiauto, which I'm not considering, I'd be interested in hearing more about what the issue was that you had. PM is fine if you'd rather not share that publically.
Thanks,
Nem
Rbernie, that's actually a big part of my reasoning about the 7600. I have definitely decided that the Rem 870P is going to be my shotgun (I've known that for a couple of months, based in many hours of research with the help of many on THR, and on handling a bunch of models.)
So, I'm thinking that a pump for the rifle makes sense. I believe strongly in the idea of "muscle memory" - athletes know it well - and having a similar design and action for both my long guns could be a positive thing.
The biggest decision I think I'd have if i go with the 7600 will be: standard 'hunting' 7600 in a 30-06 with 18.5" barrel, or 7600P in a .308 with that 16.5" barrel.
Admittedly, I'm not a LEO (except in astrological terms {which i don't buy into, by the way}), and I'm honestly more interested in a 7600 for hunting than for SD (pistols & shottie are more for SD/HD).
Still, there's something - almost intangible, based entirely so far on images alone - about that 7600P that appeals. I'll have to admit it could be an attraction to the 'dark side'.
Today is my 'day off', so I'm heading to my local gun store this afternoon to handle a few lever guns, bolts & - hopefully - pumps in larger calibers. I'll know more after that.
Rbernie, even though I recognize that the 7400 is a semiauto, which I'm not considering, I'd be interested in hearing more about what the issue was that you had. PM is fine if you'd rather not share that publically.
Thanks,
Nem
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