30.30 VS modern inline BP for hunting

[txcookie]

I would go with my encore in 209. .50cal what are yalls thoughts?

 

[dprice3844444]

knight kp1 stainless

 

[Abel]

30-30 all the way.

 

[back40]

i'd take the 30-30.

 

[Pointshoot]

Like most things . . . it all depends.

Like what are you hunting ? Under what kind of conditions ? Why would you consider one over the other ? How important is a quick follow up shot to you ?

Some guys go with BP to up the challenge over what they used in the past.

 

[Skylerbone]

As much as I enjoy my inlines (can't use a regular rifle in Iowa) I can't think of a good reason to compare them to the 30-30 save one; people have dumped on the cartridge for years for no good reason. Growing up I heard it referred to as the "deer wounding 30-30" by more than one gun counter guy and a few buddies as well.

I own 2 Knights which I prefer to the Encore Pro Hunter my father owns but I was thankful I had his rifle when I took my largest buck to date at 155 yds. 50 grains more powder makes the TC tempting but I hate the trigger.

 

[RPRNY]

The most prolific white tail rifle of all time with an immediate follow up shot available or a one shot muzzleloader desperately trying to be a modern rifle?

The 30-30, every time it's legal.

 

[jmr40]

The best Inline BP rifles easily beat 30-30 performance. If you don't need more than 1 shot then most any BP rifle.

 

[RPRNY]

The best Inline BP rifles easily beat 30-30 performance. If you don't need more than 1 shot then most any BP rifle.

Says the spokesperson from the in-line muzzleloader council ;-)

Fair point. The best ones do allow for 50 cal 200 yard shots which generally should not require a follow up.

 

[Nathanael_Greene]

I'd prefer the 30-30.

 

[ldlfh7]

30-30

 

[Coltdriver]

If you can use a sabot then the bp could be a potent rifle. Here in Colorado we cannot use a sabot. I sold my Encore 50 cal barrel after I figured out the major rainbow arc of the round limited me to about 100 yards. Others might be able to figure it out but my experience hunting has been that you don't always get to take up a 15 minute TV segment figuring out your shot! If you can't use the sabot I'd go 30-30.

 

[sage5907]

I think it's a toss-up. The 30-30 has just about as many weak points as the 50 caliber. The 30-30 usually has a short barrel, poorly designed stock, a less than desirable trigger, and it lacks the knock down power of the 50 caliber. The 50 caliber only allows 1 shot during hunting conditions, the shooter must be more cautious about following through with the shot, it takes an organized person to quickly reload, but it will take larger game at close range than a 30-30. There's not many animals that can stand up to a 430 grain super slug driven by 105 grains of black powder.

 

[txcookie]

For hunting any critter that they can both cleanly harvest. Guess thats about every critter in North Americas. MY TC shoots very accuratly and delivers a massive projectile with major knockdown. I have no fear in using it and really dont feel disadvantaged at all with only one shot. I have never needed more with a rifle.

I would fell rather confident with a 30.30 at any time as well.

Distances 150 and less
elk, hogs, deer, black bear, Mulies
Pick your load


For me I take the knock down power of my BP. Just my thoughts not saying i am right or your wrong

 

[CaliCoastie]

Opinionated a bit againts the poor old 30-30 are we? Short barrel? I think the 20" standard to marlins are fine and alot of people cut them down even. Poor trigger? I know there are issues with slicking some of the winchesters up but marlins are easy and quick to make very nice. Stock? I dont see alot of people changing stocks out on them.
My thoughts? Use a non inline black pkwder without a scope or run a rifle, BUT thats my personal opionion. Make sure your state allows the use of inline bp rifles as part of bp early hunts, I think there are some of the that restrict them.
I like lever, I would go with my marlin 30-30, or 35rem.

 

[dprice3844444]

http://www.sageoutfitters.com/bullets.html long range bullets for 50 cal bp

 

[Saint Dennis]

I own both. Unless it's black powder season there is no thinking to do. My old Marlin puts them where I aim and cleanly kills deer. I can unload it at the end of the day without shooting it. I have a follow up shot if I need it (very rare occurrence unless it is a running shot). And the best part is you can eat right up to the hole. Nothing wrong with my in-line. I enjoy muzzle loader season. I would choose the inline over a shotgun, but I don't have a dedicated slug gun. Some of them I've seen shoot like a house afire.

 

[d2wing]

Hint, the 30-30 replaced the black powder guns. It was considered a major improvement in every way over black powder and it still is. The myth of the big bullet knock down power has been proven false over and over again. The 30-30 gives you more range, is a repeater and handy to carry and quick to shoot. I was going to say more lethal but the fact is shot placement is what kills. Unless you are talking about squirrels there really isn't a sporting round that will knock over a man or large animal by blunt force.

 

[USAF_Vet]

I'd take an old thuddy thuddy over a modern inline BP any day. Tried the black powder, never could really get into it.

 

[Frank44]

The 30-30, and I like BP in-line rifles. The 30-30 is a modern designed rifle.

 

[Glockula]

The one distinct advantage to me for the 30-30 is I can unload it without firing the gun. BP hunting is fun but I would rather use a 30-30.

 

[yzguy87]

I'd have to choose a 30-30 and every deer I've ever shot has been with a .50 bp. I'd love to hunt deer with a 30-30 or 308.

 

[wanderinwalker]

.30-30 please. I chronographed more than a few loads when I had my Encore Katahdin with a 20" .50-caliber barrel. Guess what? Want to know which of my Marlins it performed like? Yeah, the little .44 Magnum, not the "wimpy" .30-30. Most guys I know run about 100-gr of powder and a 240-250gr sabot around here. That's about 1700-fps, or exactly what a .44 carbine does. (And most of those guys wouldn't be caught dead shooting "only" pistol bullets out of a rifle.)

Sure, you can use up to 150gr of powder in some in lines. They'd better weigh more than my Encore did, that thing earned the nickname "The Punisher" for a reason. I only tried that enough to get good velocity readings (2100-fps, it was a good boost) and promptly decided I wouldn't do that again.

Oh, I also had a .45-70 barrel for that little monster, and a light load with a 300gr Remington HP kicked the stuffing out of any BP load I tried. And was almost acceptable to shoot. Hit right at 1900-fps without even trying, and no BP fouling to clean. Pretty sure I was using RL-7 for that.

 

[LUCKYDAWG13]

Sure, you can use up to 150gr of powder in some in lines. They'd better weigh more than my Encore did, that thing earned the nickname "The Punisher"


i run 150gr and 250 shock wave in my T/C Omega that load will make a 1 hole
group at 100 yards were my Encore 209 x 50 works best with 130gr also a shooter
as far as recoil goes my win 94 30/30 does not shot as good and to me has
about the same recoil the only advantage i can see is a quicker follow up shot

 

[Skylerbone]

Sure, you can use up to 150gr of powder in some in lines. They'd better weigh more than my Encore did, that thing earned the nickname "The Punisher" for a reason.

The energy burner stock will take care of that. My father, at age 66 with a lifetime of abuse to his shooting shoulder beginning (professionally) at age 17 and continuing in to his early 60s, shoots at least a dozen rounds in a sitting without discomfort or bruising. That stock/pad combo makes 150gr of powder feel lighter than the 92gr I stuff down my Knights. The TC really is a marvel, I just don't care for its trigger angle which is downright awkward for me.