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Those weights are from S&Ws website. You'll have to ask them.
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Those weights are from S&Ws website. You'll have to ask them.
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1.What has that got to do with any thing I’ve said?
2. I could not possibly care less what all those groups chose for ammunition or why.
3.You said it was loud because of the high pressure. That does not correlate 100%.
Now, since I don’t like to argue, especially about straw men I didn’t make, you have yourself a nice day.
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Mexico is one of them. It might give Mexicans a legal ability to own 30sc because it's not a "military caliber." But the Mexican legislature might catch on and prohibit it with an update of their "ley de armas y explosivos." For a while, Mexicans could own the 357 sig because it was not a "9x19mm or greater;" but soon the authorities realized the 357 sig was more powerful than the 9mm and specifically prohibited it. REgardless, since the 30sc is still less powerful than the 9x19, Mexican citizens might have a legal choice. This is a big deal, for if one is caught with a 9mm in Mexico, it means years of prison (unless one can pay a huge bribe).
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1. "Men complaining about it’s too loud.(Snicker.View attachment 1064141
1.What has that got to do with any thing I’ve said?
2. I could not possibly care less what all those groups chose for ammunition or why.
3.You said it was loud because of the high pressure. That does not correlate 100%.
Now, since I don’t like to argue, especially about straw men I didn’t make, you have yourself a nice day.
)"2. But you don't mind mocking their reasons.
3. No, I never wrote that. Non sequitur.
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I'm not 100% sure where .30 SC fits in myself. I can see the attractiveness of an additional round or two, but it's not really on the same playing field in terms of advances as, say, the P365 magazine. And the wide availability of subcompact, thin, 10+ 9mm, most of which have 12- to 15-round extended mags available makes it more of a marginal improvement to get maybe 11-12 rounds in the same magazine when you're also doing a straight-line tradeoff in bullet weight, diameter, and velocity.
I would value it more like an opportunity to up-gun the .380 ACP-size carry guns than to replace the subcompact 9mm ones.
I would value it more like an opportunity to up-gun the .380 ACP-size carry guns than to replace the subcompact 9mm ones.
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I too see it as a more serious pocket gun, displacing the 380 alternative. Problem is I think that would be a new platform, with gun makers reluctant to make that commitment just yet.
I’m intrigued but annoyed by this release. I like the possibility of higher capacity and enjoy several other 32 caliber guns. But this thing has got too be loud. I have a 3 1/2 inch single seven in 327 federal that I thought would be the perfect woods carry gun. I touched this baby off just once without hearing protection and that cured me of that notion. It would have to be life or death for me to do it again. I love the gun and cartridge but I only shoot it with ear muffs. It is far more bothersome to me than 357 mag. If pressure has anything to do with it the 30 sc at a higher pressure yet at 50k might be a deal breaker. Be interesting to see how many hit the secondary market due to this. The part that annoys me is the timing. When they can’t keep up anyway with ammo or components. It’s nice to see Speer can still make a .312 gold dot as they haven’t offered one for us reloaders for 327 mag since about 2015. But after all that ranting I’ll still probably get one. Like others have mentioned would be cool in a 938 sized platform then I probably couldn’t resist. I just like 32s well and 9s and 40s and 45s.............
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See post #42.
Missed that one fxvr5. That would be great if it wasn’t any louder than a 9mm. I can handle that. I won’t shoot all day without hearing protection but wouldn’t wince without it for a few. I was just speculating as I don’t have first hand knowledge like you. Maybe 327 mag wouldn’t be so darn loud out of an auto loader without the cylinder gap.
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Need to see some advantage to it, or more accurately, the gun chambered for it.
Will it be flatter than, say, a 365? Will it hold significantly more rounds than a 365, in the same size gun? Two more won't sell it to me; even with the flat base, 10 rounds of 9mm is fine for an armed civilian.
Personally, need to see some real advantage; not seeing it thus far.
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Will it be flatter than, say, a 365? Will it hold significantly more rounds than a 365, in the same size gun? Two more won't sell it to me; even with the flat base, 10 rounds of 9mm is fine for an armed civilian.
Personally, need to see some real advantage; not seeing it thus far.
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When does adding additional rounds become necessary? How about when it's only 9 rounds? 8 rounds? 7 rounds? 6 rounds? 5 rounds? When? Where do you get such profound knowledge?
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What does a bottleneck cartridge have to do with the 30 Super Carry?
Oh, maybe I saw the wrong photo. It looked necked down.
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A 100 gr. bullet @1250 is not close to an 85gr. bullet at 1600 as far as power is concerned. My chrono shows the Winchester white box tok ammo at 1640 F.P.S. Add another 40 F.P.S. if I shoot it in my C-96 which has an inch more of barrel length.
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Its not a Tok a like cartridge. Its a high pressure .32 French Long. Lengthen a bit to get in a bullet weight on par with light 9mm bullet weights.
Really Vista thought they saw niche they could exploit, but I think it is trying to be too many things to too many people. It wants to supplant the 9mm (really. 9mm power with more capacity? Sounds like board room recipe for a new batch of "wonder 30s"). It is competing for the duty pistol market, but until there is a compelling reason for a large LEO agency to jump on to it (which boils down to cost, performance, and "qualifying scores" and it wont be beat the 9mm on cost, or performance, and is essentially as shootable as the 9mm, I don't see a real reason for an LEO agency to switch) that wont happen.
Its going to be a flash in the pan and blow away. Maybe it will linger on like the .327 revolvers (which I love but are "meeh" to most others), but it wont go anywhere big.
Its a lost opportunity. And maybe someone else will pick it up and fix it. What the market needed was a round that was as shootable as the .32 ACP, but with penetration and expansion of the 9mm, in a package that was concealable and provided the possibility of more rounds/inch or magazine. What really should have been developed is a short cased rimless .32 H&R Magnum. Muzzle velocities around 1000+ fps, bullet weights of 80-90 gr., lower pressure, and more rounds per inch of magazine. And with that added velocity, increased sectional density of the .32 over .38, better consistent expansion and penetration. Wins all the way around).
The market doesn't want another duty pistol caliber (.357 sig I'm looking at you). But I believe it would be happy to accept another concealed carry caliber, which means manageable recoil, FBI penetration/expansion, in a small size. The .30 super carry should have been a .32 H&R auto. If it was I think the public would demand pistols chambered in it, not just waiting semi interested to see what manufacturers are going to roll out.
Really Vista thought they saw niche they could exploit, but I think it is trying to be too many things to too many people. It wants to supplant the 9mm (really. 9mm power with more capacity? Sounds like board room recipe for a new batch of "wonder 30s"). It is competing for the duty pistol market, but until there is a compelling reason for a large LEO agency to jump on to it (which boils down to cost, performance, and "qualifying scores" and it wont be beat the 9mm on cost, or performance, and is essentially as shootable as the 9mm, I don't see a real reason for an LEO agency to switch) that wont happen.
Its going to be a flash in the pan and blow away. Maybe it will linger on like the .327 revolvers (which I love but are "meeh" to most others), but it wont go anywhere big.
Its a lost opportunity. And maybe someone else will pick it up and fix it. What the market needed was a round that was as shootable as the .32 ACP, but with penetration and expansion of the 9mm, in a package that was concealable and provided the possibility of more rounds/inch or magazine. What really should have been developed is a short cased rimless .32 H&R Magnum. Muzzle velocities around 1000+ fps, bullet weights of 80-90 gr., lower pressure, and more rounds per inch of magazine. And with that added velocity, increased sectional density of the .32 over .38, better consistent expansion and penetration. Wins all the way around).
The market doesn't want another duty pistol caliber (.357 sig I'm looking at you). But I believe it would be happy to accept another concealed carry caliber, which means manageable recoil, FBI penetration/expansion, in a small size. The .30 super carry should have been a .32 H&R auto. If it was I think the public would demand pistols chambered in it, not just waiting semi interested to see what manufacturers are going to roll out.
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Well said, I share the same thoughts on the subject.
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I would like a contemporary Tokarev pistol and round.
A Glockarev in 7.62x25mm HST or Gold Dot!
I already shoot the 9x25mm Dillon, but I'd like to preserve my hearing
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I already shoot the 9x25mm Dillon, but I'd like to preserve my hearing
I would love for the 9x25mm Dillon to become more mainstream. Get some bullet manufacturers on board with some heavy constructed bullets for the velocities and let'r rip. Something about a 90gr Gold dot at 2,100fps makes one smile. Coyotes at 100 yards beware. Or a Lehigh 90gr solid versus barriers/vests would be a nice feature.
The above would excite me a lot more than a pool buddy to the 9mm.
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The CONCEPT is sound.
The EXECUTION however, is still lacking.
Once an outfit brings out a thinner, more concealable double stack gun, I’ll be interested. Right now, it seems shoehorned into larger than necessary platforms and holds little interest for me.
The EXECUTION however, is still lacking.
Once an outfit brings out a thinner, more concealable double stack gun, I’ll be interested. Right now, it seems shoehorned into larger than necessary platforms and holds little interest for me.
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I’m right there with you. Ruger/S&W/Sig/etc., I’m here with my money, please come take it! I want a double stack actually sized for the .30.
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I agree with this. They havent advertised it as being able to pass FBI protocol, so I think it's a safe bet that it doesnt. Not that I necessarily NEED that in a CCW gun but for a LE duty weapon it is wanted.
As a small CCW gun it uses the same size guns as 9mm which makes people really question changing from their 9mm guns.
I think that if they had made it 380 length and reduced performance a little, I would actually be more excited about it. A 110-115 grain bullet at 950-1000 FPS out of a Ruger LCP or Glock 42 that has 1 or 2 extra rounds is actually something I would seriously consider.
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I would like a contemporary Tokarev pistol and round.
A Glockarev in 7.62x25mm HST or Gold Dot!
I already shoot the 9x25mm Dillon, but I'd like to preserve my hearing
Don't get me started, been wanting this for YEARS. Striker fired 762x25 with a rail. Not that hard to ask for,
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Hard to do, hard to get.
It would require a new, longer action and an increase in ammo production rate and variety. When they have all the business they can handle. The .30 SC was in the works before the panicdemic, they just decided to go ahead with it in spite of the overload on established products.
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