308 and 223 vs 264 30-06 220 22-250

[Jake1996]

just wondering what was so great about the 223 or 308 when you could have a 22-250 or 220 or a 264 or a 30-06

 

[Jake1996]

will anyone reply?

 

[Abel]

A 22-250 & 220 Swift will burn a barrel faster than a 223. The 223 is cheaper to shoot and will kill a coy dog just as dead as a 22-250.

The 308, for me, is nice because it shoots better out of a short barrel & it can be made into a short action rifle. I really like the advantage of a smaller rifle in tight spots, like in a deer stand for instance.

 

[TonyAngel]

Abel pretty much summed it up and applies even more so if you load your own. With .223 and .308 you can take advantage of the flood of military cases that are on the market. When I shoot .223, I don't even worry much about tracking down all of my cases because they are so cheap. The same goes for .308. Besides, for many, the larger rounds would just be over kill. I'm in south Louisiana and have yet to come across a situation that a .308 couldn't take care of.

 

[Jake1996]

im sorry but for ballistics the 308 and 223 are inferior

 

[Jake1996]

the ballistic being knockdown power speed and accuracy

 

[R.W.Dale]

I always preferred the styling of the 68-72 cutlasses over the Pontiac GTO/lemans, Chevelle or Skylark myself.


See that's what's called an OPINION on something where there is no right/wrong answer.

 

[R.W.Dale]

the ballistic being knockdown power speed and accuracy

You don't actually know much about guns do you?


Accuracy is purely a function of ammunition and rifle quality. The cartridge has virtually NOTHING to do with it.


Here's why you don't choose a cartridge such as 264 over a .308

The 264 will burn appx 2x the powder
Go through barrels roughly 3x as fast
Perform like poop in a shorter bbl
Is available with NO high quality cases or reloading equipment
Only comes in sporting rifles

And to top it off won't do a darn thing on paper people or critters that 308 won't

 

[788Ham]

'64 Goat w/tri-power? Mmmmmm

 

[Jake1996]

well if you would have read by the hornaday and winchester amoo books you would have seen that the 22-250 and the 220 swift were more accurate at long range and not to mention hit harder that not an opinion thats a fact.

 

[Jake1996]

the 264 is in the Winchester book just as hard hitting and more accurate than the 308 winchester at long range another FACT.

 

[R.W.Dale]

the 264 is in the Winchester book just as hard hitting and more accurate than the 308 winchester at long range another FACT.

Ok cite please?

 

[Jake1996]

winchesterammo.com

 

[Jake1996]

actually the 264 is more accurate.

 

[Kachok]

223 and 308 are better ballenced calibers then the .264 and the 22-250 that are way too overbore. The 06 is a closer challenge since it is much better ballenced but still the 308 produces nearly identical ballistic performance with 130-150gr bullets and has noticably less recoil and powder burnt. Personaly I like the 223 better then any 22 cal centerfire, and the 308 is on par with the best 30 cals.

 

[Jake1996]

there fine calibers but the fact is the others are better and the 308 is under bore not enough powder and i think theres a reason the army rejected the 223.

 

[Jake1996]

but to clarify the 264 has brass available from winchester and hornaday makes dies for it plus twice the total capacity of the 308 would be 92 grains and the max for the 264 is 78 80 grains.

 

[Jake1996]

just something i forgot to say. the cartridge is your first choice when choosing a rifle isnt it?

 

[C-grunt]

there fine calibers but the fact is the others are better and the 308 is under bore not enough powder and i think theres a reason the army rejected the 223.

Since when did the Army reject the .223? Im assuming you mean the 5.56.

There is always bigger and badder. But the .223 and the .308 have a good balance of power and lower recoil. Both dont burn up barrels either.

 

[Jake1996]

yes that is what i meant and actually the life expectancy of a 308 is 4500 rounds not much better for lesser performance in my opinion.

 

[Kachok]

Standard crom-moly lined 7.62x51 (308) barrels can last over 10,000 rounds in service rifles assuming correct usage. Where are you getting your facts?

 

[Jake1996]

I think it was chuck hawks but that wasn't referring to service rifles and I'm not sure where I got the info

 

[FlyinBryan]

certain calibers arent more accurate than others. accuracy is always decided by the rifle, not the caliber.

 

[Kachok]

To a point anyway. If you built a 6.5x284 and a 375 H&H to the same level of percision the 6.5x284 would have a very small edge because it uses a shorter powder charge that is more condusive with a more percise burn rate and hence fps hence accuracy, mind you this extra accuracy is VERY VERY small and you would not be able to notice it in sproting weight rifles. If you notice the vast majority of world class bench rest rifles use short action calibers for this exact reason.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Brass quality and headspace control also play a part.


With your example 375H&H with it's belt, long tapered case and no real shoulder to headspace on will not allow for the kind of brass sizing precision that you can achieve with a almost straight walled steep shouldered 6.5x284 case.

Another piece of the puzzle is component quality, particularly case consistency, pretty much any cartridge that you can buy lapua brass for is going to have a significant advantage over another round where you're left with sorting and prepping the pee remchester brass to get to the point of consistency that Lapua match brass starts at. Dovetailing with this are what types of dies are available and what options are available to you on neck clearance with reguards to chamber reamer selection.


The cartridge doesn't matter so much in the accuracy equation as does what's AVAILABLE for that particular clambering