32acp or 380acp?

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I know I was looking for Tok ammo for my CZ 52 and Cabela's was sold out but when I asked a clerk they only were planning on restocking the HP ammo. I'll actually believe it when I see it on the shelves though, been running around town for a few weeks now looking for it.
 
I also have a CZ in .32acp - the only gun I have in that caliber. It's the CZ-50 model, made in early 1970, the last period of manufacture for these guns. I like it, though I'm surprised to find that some beginning shooters are a little intimidated by it. I usually have to slingshot the slide to get the first round to chamber, but I think it's been 100% reliable other than that. I'm a little surprised it has as much recoil as it does. It's not a large gun, but it has a steel frame.

I guess I prefer the .380 for self defense, as there are a lot of defensive ammo choices out there. My LCP has been my main EDC for the last year or two. The .32, like the .22 rim fire, will work for defense, but there are more effective choices out there. The .32 is a neat caliber, however, because there are some great old guns chambered in .32 ACP.
 
I also have a CZ in .32acp - the only gun I have in that caliber. It's the CZ-50 model, made in early 1970, the last period of manufacture for these guns.ACP.
So I was going to start a separate thread but since you brought up a CZ 50, what are the dimensions of those? I can't seem to find the height on any other sites. Thinking of adding one to my collection of guns from the motherland. Also was toying with pocket carrying it.
 
IMHO, the tiny .380s (Think Keltec) made the tiny .32s obsolete (Unless you just preferred the .32 or didn't care which), and now the tiny 9mms are doing the same thing to some of the .380s.

But for fun at the range, the .32s are hard to beat, and it has been chambered in some cool guns.. :)
 
IMHO, the tiny .380s (Think Keltec) made the tiny .32s obsolete (Unless you just preferred the .32 or didn't care which), and now the tiny 9mms are doing the same thing to some of the .380s.

But for fun at the range, the .32s are hard to beat, and it has been chambered in some cool guns.. :)

Yeah the 32 unfortunately is pretty much dead except as a novelty or as an add on chambering for a gun designed to be a 380. Its unlikely I think we will ever see any more guns designed to be a 32. I think the decline of 380's will continue even faster if ammo companies ever start making reduced recoil 9mm ammo. Alot of people choose larger 380 sized guns like the bersa thunder because the micro 9mm's can be a bit of a handful to shoot, but downloaded 9mm ammo solves that problem. Of course the 380 will always have a home in LCP sized guns. A 9mm has no place in a 9 ounce gun!
 
I would have to respectfully disagree with Walkalong. The tiny 380's have arguably made the tiny 32's obsolete. I have the Kel-Tec model of each. They are as small and light as pistols in those two calibers get. The difference in size/weight is minimal. The 380 recoils a bit more, carries one less round, and the slide does not hold open after the last shot. If that's okay with you, there's no reason to carry the 32 instead. That's pretty much where I'm at.

However, there is no 9mm pistol as small/light as my P3AT. I have owned several "pocket nines". None were really small/light enough for me to carry them comfortably in my pants pocket. I carry my P3AT in the breast pocket of a denim or flannel shirt. IMHO there is no 9mm pistol that realistically compares in size/weight. Even the small ones are in a whole different class.
 
I dunno about that, I feel like these tiny pocket rockets are a fad. I think at a certain point shootability has to come in to play, as well as the ability to be able to practice with your ccw. I can imagine the trend swinging back as people figure out what they can regularly practice with and what they can reliably hit with. Calibre and gun weight are not the only statistics that come in to play: You can't escape physics. I personally find the philosophy of having a gun that you conceal but don't practice with because it's not a "range gun" and hurts your hand is for the birds.

IMHO, the tiny .380s (Think Keltec) made the tiny .32s obsolete (Unless you just preferred the .32 or didn't care which), and now the tiny 9mms are doing the same thing to some of the .380s.

But for fun at the range, the .32s are hard to beat, and it has been chambered in some cool guns.. :)
 
.380 feeds better. No rim on the case. Hollowpoints are probably dubious in most of the very short barreled guns people carry in either caliber. I never have found an SMC sized pistol from FEG for sale locally. They are neat little guns. I have a Pa-63 in 380, it's big for a small caliber piece. Former com-bloc guns were well made and a steal when they first came on the market.

Colt 380 Government is my choice if I want to actually carry a 380.
 
I dunno about that, I feel like these tiny pocket rockets are a fad. I think at a certain point shootability has to come in to play, as well as the ability to be able to practice with your ccw.
I agree the micro 9's are not for everybody.

I am shooting my P-365 regularly, very comfortable to shoot.
 
So I was going to start a separate thread but since you brought up a CZ 50, what are the dimensions of those? I can't seem to find the height on any other sites. Thinking of adding one to my collection of guns from the motherland. Also was toying with pocket carrying it.

I don't know if this will help or not but the dimensions should be exactly the same as the CZ 70. Same gun, only a little older with slightly different features. I honestly don't know the dimensions or weight, but it's kind of a Walther PPK size I believe. Bigger than most .32 autos being made today. Would probably fit in a very large pocket.
 
This topic reminded me that Beretta promised a .32 conversion for their pico when they released it. That was what? 5 years ago. Not holding my breath but I bet a tiny little gun like that would be perfect for some .32 cavitators.
 
That reminds me I wanted to see if I could find a Beretta tomcat or bobcat, whichever one is 32, locally. I hear good things after you find the right ammo.
 
I dunno about that, I feel like these tiny pocket rockets are a fad. I think at a certain point shootability has to come in to play, as well as the ability to be able to practice with your ccw. I can imagine the trend swinging back as people figure out what they can regularly practice with and what they can reliably hit with. Calibre and gun weight are not the only statistics that come in to play: You can't escape physics. I personally find the philosophy of having a gun that you conceal but don't practice1 with because it's not a "range gun" and hurts your hand is for the birds.

I disagree. My carry gun is an LC9s pro in a desantis pocket holster in my right from jean pocket. I have a few thousand rounds through it, it is very fun to shoot, and I shoot it very very well. I can put an entire mag on a 12” plate at 50 yards. That or a P365 is about as big of a gun as I can call a pocket pistol but I’m 6’4” so it conceals well and is very comfortable. I find every other method of carry uncomfortable.
 
I personally found the LC9 painful to shoot and stopped after 15 rounds. That is me, it will be different for others.

My own experience is that the gun is more important than the caliber up to a certain point.

The 380ACP has a real edge when using hollow point ammo in my opinion, it is not huge, especially if you are comparing to .32ACP ammo loaded with a good hollow point bullet, but it does exist and a .32ACP using hollow point ammo may not feed as reliably as a .380ACP round because of the semi-rimmed .32ACP case, depending on the gun.
That said, I own both calibers and the same guns in both calibers.

I found that some guns work better than others with the .32ACP. I carried a WALTHER PPK (not the PPK/S) in .32ACP and found it completely reliable and only stopped carrying it when I bought a GLOCK 42 in .380ACP. I noticed the recoil of the PPK was less than the larger PP series which have a more squared off grip. The same would apply to the PPK/S which uses the grip and frame of the PP series.
The soft shooting GLOCK 42 offers a .380ACP chambering with recoil that I perceive to be not much more than the PPK in .32ACP. It also is lighter, slimmer, will never rust and has better sights. I rate reliability as the same based on my own experience.

I have occasionally carried a BERETTA Tomcat in .32ACP because it is just more concealable than the GLOCK 42 or PPK. I have even smaller guns in .32ACP, but I have not found that I needed a to conceal a gun smaller than the Tomcat which is lot easier to shoot than the N.A.A. GUARDIAN and more reliable in my experience than the KEL TEC.

I had a COLT 1903 and a BERETTA model 81 and if loaded with .32ACP hollow point load like the FIOCCHI xtp round or COR BON Powerball. These large .32ACP pistols overcome the small grip and sight problems of the really small micro and some pocket pistols. Their large grips, mild recoil, large sights, controls and adequate magazine capacity make them much better protection guns than the small, weak .32ACP round would suggest. I felt they were perfectly adequate for a house gun, though I would prefer something heavier like a 9m.m.

To me, I would choose the gun first. I saved several hundred dollars when I bought the PPK instead of a PPK/S in .380ACP only to discover that the PPK really did live up to reputation as the best concealable gun available when it was introduced. I still have it and occasionally carry it when my GLOCK is not available (my wife really likes the GLOCK 42 and I bought her one for her birthday as a ccw weapon).
Some .32ACP pistols will be better for different uses. The BERETTA 81 and 82 and the CZ 83 in .32ACP will be mild recoiling, easy to shoot and operate guns for home defense. The PPK is a much better choice for a concealed carry gun if you do not wear a jacket or vest and the BERETTA Tomcat is the most concealable while still reliable and controllable. If you find a reliable one, the KEL TEC can just disappear on your person.

Jim
 
I am in the 380 camp; but I carry a Glock 42, which is on no way a small 380. I am really sorry that the 32naa never caught on. On paper it seems like it would have been a very good round.
 
Hasaf,

The problem with the .32NAA is that it requires a .380ACP sized gun, but uses a .32 bullet and is louder and has more muzzle flash than the .32ACP. Most of the reviews I have seen do not show a big advantage over the .32ACP and no advantage over the .380ACP which is much cheaper to buy ammo for and offers a much larger selection of ammo.
It really did not answer any real need, at least in my opinion.
In a large blowback, like the BERETTA 80 series, it might generate enough velocity to justify itself, but you could probably bring back the old 9m.m. Ultra/Police round and use a premium hollow point if you wanted something different or stronger than the .32ACP/.380ACP. It would be about equal to the 9m.m. Makarov but have the bullet selection of the .380ACP.

Jim
 
Took the new to me PT-132 to the range today. It was hot, but the humidity was down.
Range Day with PT-132.jpg
 
Yep, it was 74% a few days a go at the range. We have had a lot of rain and heat to go with it, but it's finally drying up a little.
 
That dude Paul H. hunted deer with a .25acp mouse gun? I admit I'm no expert but that sounds messed up.
 
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