357 Magnum vs 45 ACP

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Ohhh Ohhh... let me play too! I choose the .45. Having shot .38 +P in a S&W Airlite, I wouldn't ever want to try that with a .357. Between the recoil, muzzle blast, and sound, I'd be hard pressed to get a second shot off as fast as with the .45.
 
Some of you might remember that, back in the 80's, Evan Marshall did a study of actual shootings and found that the .357 mag 125gr SJHPs managed 96% one-shot stops, compared to about 65% for .45 ACP 230gr JHPs.
Are you sure you are not remembering the percentages for the .45ACP FMJ? I've got a copy of Evan's 2001 book Stopping Power: A Practical Analysis of the Latest Handgun Ammunition which lists the better JHP ammo in .45ACP as having "stopping power" of 90% or better.

Given the numerous variables present both in Evan's study and in any real life shooting, I certainly think the .357 and .45 are probably fairly comparable and both equally good choices if all that is considered is pure bullet effectiveness. Personally I prefer a semiauto pistol for SD, but that is in a lot of ways a subjective choice.

EDIT: I just noticed that this is a mulit-resurrected thread from around three years ago. Oh, well, some arguments never get old. :p
 
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Whew!! that was a long thread!......I like, carry, reload for , and completely trust both to do their job in a SD situation, as long as I do my part.
 
As a newb to this forum, I feel it is my duty to respond with my opinion, which is of course far more valuable than any of ya'lls...

The .45 is better than the .357. No, wait...the .357 is better than the .45. No, wait...the .45 is better than the .357. No, wait...uh...what were we talking about again? :neener::scrutiny::banghead::rolleyes:
 
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Ain't followed this tread ,toooo darn long but how about the 357 sig ,throw that one it.

Different cartidges for different needs. A .22lr in the eye is better than a 45 in the leg.
 
.357 is usually for a revolver, 6 or 7 shots, quite a kick and muzzle blast. Harder to follow up.

.45ACP is usually a semi-auto with 7+ shots, a kick... but easier to recover than a .357.

If follow up shots are important, I'd choose a .45. If you think you can do it in one, sight and hearing me damned, then go for a .357. Personally, I would never use a .357 in a carry weapon for SD. I'd rather have .38SP+ (or 9mm, or .45ACP in a semi).
 
One makes a waay better at hunting / trail handgun, the other is in with a mixed group of defence cartridges with none being a stand out.
 
Ive seen what they can do to a $10,000.00 Walker coon dog in the 70's, And I have been treed by a pack while deer hunting. But the 30,06 dropped that Razorback like a sack of potatoes,wicked tusk indeed,we didnt have those kevlar vest for our coon dogs back then and we did lose some good dogs. Unfortunately.
 
Stopping power is not the question; caliber is not the answer.

[I have no LEO or military experience. I am considering the question from the POV of considering what's the most reliable and accurate way to answer the question given the data we have available. Considered from that POV, the question becomes mainly a question of data verification, research protocol, and the proper use of statistics.]

It has been pretty well established by military and police investigators and actual experience that semi-auto's are better tools for combat and self defense (as long has the shooter has been well trained in its use and has sufficient practice) than revolvers except for a few specialized situations. You may prefer a revolver for various reasons, and it is true that a revolver can be an effective tool in most situations.

There is no reliable, accurate, scientific, statistically valid data available which will enable us to compare the "stopping power" of one load to another. There is no data (and probably never will be) which will enable you to make predictions about stopping power involving a particular bad guy in a particular situation.

A more sensible question would be based on comparing specific loads, not "calibers". Consult the gelatin tests using the FBI testing protocols with and without barriers which you think you are likely to encounter. The following question is more useful and is the best we can do with the available knowledge: Which specific loads which can be accurately and swiftly fired by the shooter have the potential to cause the most damage (after penetrating likely barriers) to a bad guy without increasing the risk to bystanders?

When you look at the test results, you will find several loads which are similar in performance. If two loads do not vary more than 1" in penetration or .1" in diameter of expansion, consider them equivalent.

Since we can't measure or predict "stopping power" (or more specifically, "stopping probability"), the best we can do is look at which specific load has the greatest probability of causing the most damage when it hits the bad guy.

Yeah, I know some guy will always say "It's shot placement that matters most." True, but everybody knows that, and we are only considering loads which the shooter or LEO can be taught to shoot accurately and quickly. No amount of practice and training can guarantee good shot placement during a combat situation. We need to ask, wherever the shot hits whatever subject at whatever angle, after passing through any likely barriers, which load is most likely to produce the most damage given a minimum and maximum penetration requirement.

The FBI tests are not perfect, but they provide good usable answers which correlate well with actual experience. Use of these tests has resulted in vast improvements in ammo used for self defense and LEO.
 
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There is no reliable, accurate, scientific, statistically valid data available which will enable us to compare the "stopping power" of one load to another. There is no data (and probably never will be) which will enable you to make predictions about stopping power involving a particular bad guy in a particular situation.


Read FBI data, it's pretty statistically valid.

Me, I choose the 10mm outside of the confines of suburbia where obvious over-penetration is a concern.
 
My answer to the question, should you use a .357 Magnum or a .45 ACP to defend yourself, is that you certainly should. ;)
 
Let's neck down a 45 to 357 and make everyone happy! It could be like a 357 sig but... SUPER! 357 sig super! 357 SS... sweeeeet. I'ma genius :D
 
Just buy one of each, that's the only way to know what's best. That's why the advise for buying a gun safe is: Get one twice as big as you think you need.
 
Yup,why we got two hands,just shoot as good left and right handed simultaneously and very fast,these Cartel Mo Fo's got Mac 10's and ****.
I was actually about to buy a machine gun and Kevlar before I got the hell out of Tx.
 
Why doesn't anybody show any love for a .375 caliber handgun, maybe with a long cylinder?
 
357 has more energy than 45 acp, that aside when thinking self defense both cartridges perform admirably.

What you should really be asking yourself is semi auto or revolver?
 
1 second draw to take the head off a match stick at 20 yrds ,even with a 22,Should be ok, Just hope their draw is 1.5 sec. and not as accurate,because when seconds count the cops are just minutes away, I would never make such a ballsy statement,If I didn't start
competing at age 10 (48) now. I had iron all around the house and back-up in every vehicle in Tx. for reasons, I did have my 1 second draw (or less) down to a T for every entrance to my place, w/45 acp and 357mag,little faster with 357 mag(no safety).
 
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