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One of the best is in the name...Holland and Holland. Of course that's if you want to spend as much on a rifle as many want to spend on a car.
How much do you want to spend?
How about Winchester Model 70 Safari Express or CZ 550 American Safari?
How much do you want to spend?
How about Winchester Model 70 Safari Express or CZ 550 American Safari?
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A Best Quality Holland & Holland! Bring $30K to start a conversation with anyone who is selling one.
Very nice? Griffin & Howe.
Nice? A Churchill Mauser, built on a Mark-X Mauser action as imported by Interarms back in the 60's thru 80's. Classic and excellent at the price point. Nicer in my estimation than any of the current production rifles in the same price range. I own Model 70's and CZ's and the Churchill is a better rifle in my estimation.
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A Best Quality Holland & Holland! Bring $30K to start a conversation with anyone who is selling one.
Very nice? Griffin & Howe.
Nice? A Churchill Mauser, built on a Mark-X Mauser action as imported by Interarms back in the 60's thru 80's. Classic and excellent at the price point. Nicer in my estimation than any of the current production rifles in the same price range. I own Model 70's and CZ's and the Churchill is a better rifle in my estimation.
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This one would be as good a choice as any:
http://www.sako.fi/sako85.php
Sako has a reputation for making excellent rifles. I like the mechanics and the beauty of the design. HOOfan_1 and Willie Sutton also made excellent recommendations.
TexasPatriot.308
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Ruger has some nice rifles in that caliber for less than a grand.
Awsomepossum
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Saw one on a Mauser Action, asking price was 525$ I would look for very nice Mauser conversions or a Ruger #1
I have owned a Sig-Sauer 202 Safari in .375 H&H Mag, and a CZ 550 Safari (same as a BRNO 602) in .375 H&H Mag. I liked both, but the Sig-Sauer was far more refined. If I were to purchase another .375 H&H Mag, I would look into either a Winchester Model 70 Safari, or a Weatherby Mark V. It is difficult to say which is "best". Any of those I have listed are quality firearms companies…fit will be the most crucial factor. Which fits you best?
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I wish that were true. Ruger does not offer one single solitary rifle in .375H&H anymore.
I'm not a huge Mark V fan, but Winchester does build a pretty decent .375H&H. Another to look at would be the Montana Rifle Company. I have not seen one of their rifles yet but have heard some good things about them. Also Kimber offers a couple of rifles in .375H&H. And as mentioned CZ builds a few rifle sin .375H&H as well.
TexasPatriot.308
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H&H, guess you are right, I didn't find any .375 H&H anymore....how does their .375 Ruger compare? I am 60 and don't shoot anything more than a .308 anymore and got no use for large calibers anymore.
Gordon
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Get a Leupold 1.75-6x Varix3 a, bed and oil the stock and clean the action and trigger if needed. IMHO it would take a few times the price to equal it!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=407637666
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=407637666
I am a huge fan of my Winchester Safari Express. It was after drinking the Kool-Aid at H&Hhunter's house that I settled on a 375H&H. I went with the Winchester because it fit my budget and I could actually lay my hands on one.
Now, in the spirit of honestly my rifle was not 100% right out of the box. It had some serious bedding issues that H&Hhunter helped me sort out. A quick trip to the local smith had it grouping way better than I ever expected. I had it bedded and while it was there they also discovered the crown was not cut right.
If you get a Winchester have it bedded first thing. Or put it in a McMillan stock and be done with it.
As for glass I went with Leupold VX3 2.5-8x36 with the B&C reticle. I could not be happier with the setup.
Now, in the spirit of honestly my rifle was not 100% right out of the box. It had some serious bedding issues that H&Hhunter helped me sort out. A quick trip to the local smith had it grouping way better than I ever expected. I had it bedded and while it was there they also discovered the crown was not cut right.
If you get a Winchester have it bedded first thing. Or put it in a McMillan stock and be done with it.
As for glass I went with Leupold VX3 2.5-8x36 with the B&C reticle. I could not be happier with the setup.
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TexasPatriot,
In all honesty it is a better designed and more efficient round than the time proven .375H&H. Think .300H&H compared to a .300 WM. The .375 Ruger has slightly more case capacity, no belt and it is built in a standard 2.5" cases verses the magnum length .375H&H at 2.85 allowing for slimmer lighter action and rifle to used.
So if you take nostalgia, history and romance out of the picture you are getting a slightly improved cartridge from a performance standpoint. I personally don't care for any of the rifles being offered in .375 Ruger however. So I'll take slightly less performance and keep shooting my .375H&H's.
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I love how this conversation keeps popping up!
My answer, assuming I put enough money together this summer will be the CZ 550 in Saf Mag (Not American Saf Mag... But that is an aesthetics issue). Of course if you are more well healed than I H&H Hunter recommended to me the AHR version of the CZ 550. If you could get rid of the annoying floor plate junk they insist on installing. But you're $6Gs before you get to the door, let alone out of it. (If you are so well healed consider helping out a brother with the same wish...can't hurt to ask
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My answer, assuming I put enough money together this summer will be the CZ 550 in Saf Mag (Not American Saf Mag... But that is an aesthetics issue). Of course if you are more well healed than I H&H Hunter recommended to me the AHR version of the CZ 550. If you could get rid of the annoying floor plate junk they insist on installing. But you're $6Gs before you get to the door, let alone out of it. (If you are so well healed consider helping out a brother with the same wish...can't hurt to ask
! )Greg
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What do you all think of using a P14 action intended originally for the .303 round?
Now if I really had money I'd get me a nice little double in 375 flanged...
TexasPatriot.308
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GunsAmerica has a couple Ruger No. 1 in 375 H&H for $1200 each....a helluva beautiful rifle in a helluva caliber.
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Fundamentally, this comes down to your aesthetic sense. An everyone is different.
Having grown up with the tales of Jack O'Conner and Outdoor Life, there was really only one choice for me: A Winchester Model 70 with pre '64 action and a low power variable Leopold scope.
No accounting for taste.
Having grown up with the tales of Jack O'Conner and Outdoor Life, there was really only one choice for me: A Winchester Model 70 with pre '64 action and a low power variable Leopold scope.
No accounting for taste.
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Sako Kodiak. Outstanding iron sites and smooth action.
I'm very pleased with my Talkeetna in .375 H&H and will be buying a Caprivi in .458 Lott this year, but if I had some money to spend I might consider something from Dakota. Perhaps this Model 76 Safari in .375 H&H with a XXX English Walnut stock for a mere $8,010.
H&Hhunter said:
That's good to know ... and disappointing. My experience with Dakota rifles is limited to handling and shooting an ex coworkers Biesen built on a .450 Dakota action/barrel. That particular rifle is very impressive but it wasn't built by Dakota Arms. I would never have paid $8,000 for a Dakota since I'm perfectly happy with a Talkeetna or Caprivi at a little over 1/4 the cost. If I did have $8,000 to spend on a hunting rifle I would certainly PM you first.
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I've never paid $8k for a Dakota either. But even at half that price which what I "paid" for my M-76 African in .404 Jeffery would have been to much IMO. So long story short a guy owed my the above mentioned sum and I accepted his new .404 as payment as he didn't have the money he owed me. In any case my M-76 is accurate, it's pretty and it's got some nit noid little issues that really bug me. The bluing is turning purple apparently this is due to over temp during the bluing process but the rifle needs a complete re blue. The rifle suddenly quit feeding from the magazine. The magazine box was made from some kind of supper soft metal alloy and after several hundred rounds became so badly distorted to the aft from shells hitting the rear of the magazine box in recoil that it wouldn't allow rounds to feed from the box anymore. You can actually see perfectly indented case markings in the rear of the box! There are several other issues that sizzle my brain on that rifle too. Under no circumstances should these issues be present on a rifle of that price point. That same rifle in 404 Jeffery is going to set you back the better part of $10K in today's market!! Mine is being fixed and is going on the auction block this summer.
I have owned two other Dakotas as well both M-97's and both had major stupid issues. One was turned purple, are we seeing a trend here? And that rifle also had some severe bedding problems I put a bunch of time and money into it having it re blued and properly bedded, got it shooting well and sent it down the road to cover my costs. The other M-97 I bought for a super cheap deal, I guess I'm a slow learner for buying yet another Dakota, that rifle is a light weight hunter in .300 WM. I could not for the life of me find a load that wasn't showing major pressure signs. I finally started playing with bullet depth and was able to find several very light loads that were not over pressure but I had to seat the bullets way way deep into the case. I started to suspect a chamber issue and brought it into a gun smith whom I trust. Sure enough there was NO THROAT, no lead at ALL. They forgot to cut a throat at the factory, or were using a severely worn out chamber reamer....I had my smith cut a throat and the rifle is a fantastic now but once again Dakota should have never in a million years let this rifle out of the factory in that condition.
So with that in mind when I see a Dakota my eyes roll back into my head. I won't own another. I'd rather buy a M-70 and spend some money in it to make it righteous at a 10th of the cost and better quality than that of a new Dakota.
I have owned two other Dakotas as well both M-97's and both had major stupid issues. One was turned purple, are we seeing a trend here? And that rifle also had some severe bedding problems I put a bunch of time and money into it having it re blued and properly bedded, got it shooting well and sent it down the road to cover my costs. The other M-97 I bought for a super cheap deal, I guess I'm a slow learner for buying yet another Dakota, that rifle is a light weight hunter in .300 WM. I could not for the life of me find a load that wasn't showing major pressure signs. I finally started playing with bullet depth and was able to find several very light loads that were not over pressure but I had to seat the bullets way way deep into the case. I started to suspect a chamber issue and brought it into a gun smith whom I trust. Sure enough there was NO THROAT, no lead at ALL. They forgot to cut a throat at the factory, or were using a severely worn out chamber reamer....I had my smith cut a throat and the rifle is a fantastic now but once again Dakota should have never in a million years let this rifle out of the factory in that condition.
So with that in mind when I see a Dakota my eyes roll back into my head. I won't own another. I'd rather buy a M-70 and spend some money in it to make it righteous at a 10th of the cost and better quality than that of a new Dakota.
TexasPatriot.308:
I hate you; yea, I very loathe thee! Finally, and after years of attempts to leave behind, my worldly lust for all cartridges Ruger No. 1, I again face the suggestions from people like you, that we should purchase a Ruger No. 1. I loathe thee; I curse thee!!!
Geno
I hate you; yea, I very loathe thee! Finally, and after years of attempts to leave behind, my worldly lust for all cartridges Ruger No. 1, I again face the suggestions from people like you, that we should purchase a Ruger No. 1. I loathe thee; I curse thee!!!
Geno
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My .375 H&H is a Rem 700 XCR II glass-bedded and free-floated in a B&C Sporter Stock in Weatherby configuration (I like the Monte Carlo for a big kicker). I have a set of QR bases from Leupy on it and currently have my Leupold VX3 in 3-9x40 with Duplex reticle mounted in QR rings. I also have a 1.5-6x24 scope in QR rings that I can use as alternates and the express sights sighted in at 50 yards. I got this as an Alaskan rifle where weather would be a consideration. For Africa, I'd use the same or go to a Win Safari Express, a Sako or CZ...all four are wonderful rifles that will outshoot any of us.
My preferred load is factory Nosler 260gr Partitions for hunting...it's a stone killer for anything in North America. I may have a hunt coming up in South Africa in October so I'm going to be working up 300gr solid and soft loads as well as my 260gr loads for plains game. The .375 H&H is a wonderful caliber...kicks like a 12 ga. shotgun with slug loads and will down anything born on this planet. Craig Boddington's wonderful articles convinced me to try it and I love it.
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My preferred load is factory Nosler 260gr Partitions for hunting...it's a stone killer for anything in North America. I may have a hunt coming up in South Africa in October so I'm going to be working up 300gr solid and soft loads as well as my 260gr loads for plains game. The .375 H&H is a wonderful caliber...kicks like a 12 ga. shotgun with slug loads and will down anything born on this planet. Craig Boddington's wonderful articles convinced me to try it and I love it.
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