.375 ruger or .375 H&H.....

[LoonWulf]

just to add another one...have you looked at the 375 Taylor? Same fella that created my 416 Taylor did the work on the 375. Take a 338 WinMag and run it into a 375 sizing die. also seen it as a 375/338 WinMag and the dims are about the same.

I had considered it as Shaw does chamber the .375-338, but the dies arnt standard fair, and i can get more oomph from the ruger should i want it.

Atn makes a scope that records....

Yeah, thanks.....theres another toy ive been trying to convince myself i dont need......

 

[horsey300]

I had considered it as Shaw does chamber the .375-338, but the dies arnt standard fair, and i can get more oomph from the ruger should i want it.



Yeah, thanks.....theres another toy ive been trying to convince myself i dont need......

You're a better man than I, I've already convinced myself that I DO need to at least give it a try, gonna strap it onto the r1, better yet I even convinced the better half we need one, (it was easier than convincing her of the ffp Burris lol) but we've both agreed that the atn is not a RIGHT now need, I would be curious if atn guarantees it to the recoil of the larger bores.

 

[LoonWulf]

You're a better man than I, I've already convinced myself that I DO need to at least give it a try, gonna strap it onto the r1, better yet I even convinced the better half we need one, (it was easier than convincing her of the ffp Burris lol) but we've both agreed that the atn is not a RIGHT now need, I would be curious if atn guarantees it to the recoil of the larger bores.

Well you may find out, If i find an extra 6-700 bucks laying around before i scope this thing.........

 

[cdb1]

I suggest a softer bullet 300 grain load on feral range cattle or the 260 Accubond .
. They are big but they are not that hard compared to buffaloe . About 20 years ago we culled sick cattle on a ranch with my .375H&H and the .358 Norma on the long shots. The cattle were scooped up by a 4 in 1 Cat bucket and taken to a lime pit on the ranch. The lime pit offer great coyote hunting .
The .358 Norma Mag
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Don’t want to start a fight but I disagree with your premise. Feral cattle, especially if they have been so for several generations are about as tough as they come. That’s very different than sick cattle. My grandfather ran 1600-1800 head of mother cows, I run a couple of hundred, I’ve lived on a ranch all my life and when a bull gets the adrenaline going they are tough as nails, even more so when they are wild. On the other hand I wouldn’t feel handicapped using a 30-06 on feral cattle.

 

[horsey300]

Don’t want to start a fight but I disagree with your premise. Feral cattle, especially if they have been so for several generations are about as tough as they come. That’s very different than sick cattle. My grandfather ran 1600-1800 head of mother cows, I run a couple of hundred, I’ve lived on a ranch all my life and when a bull gets the adrenaline going they are tough as nails, even more so when they are wild. On the other hand I wouldn’t feel handicapped using a 30-06 on feral cattle.

You're both on the overkill side, just grab a red rider and you're set! @LoonWulf is just using the .375 to show off

 

[LoonWulf]

I think Gordon ment that they dont need as tough a bullet to achieve adequate penetration. I def agree on the toughness, one bull i shot ate 5 (i think, might have actually been 6 or 7 before i got him on the ground) rounds from my STW, and woulda kept going if i hadnt broken his pelvis with the last round. Still took another to put him out of commission for good.

My Socom proved very capable on them with 405 sofpoints at 1600ish, but those animals were smaller.

They are probably the only real "use" i have for a .375

 

[LoonWulf]

You're both on the overkill side, just grab a red rider and you're set! @LoonWulf is just using the .375 to show off

Science and enlightenment! Science and enlightenment!.....when i use it on 40lb goats that will be showing off.....

You know i used to chase an 800lb cow out of our shrimp ponds with a daisy, wasnt a Red Rider tho lol.

 

[horsey300]

Science and enlightenment! Science and enlightenment!.....when i use it on 40lb goats that will be showing off.....

What the feral chickens have gotten too tough for you?

 

[LoonWulf]

One ran off with a 15 dollar antenna last weekend, i never did find either the chicken or the arrow.

 

[Elkins45]

I bought a 375 Ruger, an actual Ruger rifle. Stainless laminated and left handed with the express sight. Picked it up for $600 brand new so it seemed like something worth having just in case the local zoo has a tiger escape.

At the time I bought it I also picked up 200 new cases, so I figure I have two lifetimes supply. I shot a whitetail doe with it last year, but with a 275 grain cast lead bullet at about 1900 fps. It was quite effective. I have a box loaded with full power 300 grain jacketed bullets, but I have yet to find a reasonable use for them.

 

[LoonWulf]

I bought a 375 Ruger, an actual Ruger rifle. Stainless laminated and left handed with the express sight. Picked it up for $600 brand new so it seemed like something worth having just in case the local zoo has a tiger escape.

At the time I bought it I also picked up 200 new cases, so I figure I have two lifetimes supply. I shot a whitetail doe with it last year, but with a 275 grain cast lead bullet at about 1900 fps. It was quite effective. I have a box loaded with full power 300 grain jacketed bullets, but I have yet to find a reasonable use for them.

What powder are you using? One of the aspects that appealed to me about the big...er bored rifles is slower cast bullets for short range hunting.
I figure a 275-300 at around 2K should punch a pretty significant hole in just about anything short of previously mentioned cattle, and even those it should be fine.

 

[cdb1]

It’s taken 20 years but the city is encroaching on me and the city limits are now just across the road from my house where their is a new subdivision. In the past year I’ve had a couple of homeowners come over and ask me if I have a gun they can borrow or if I will come shoot a snake or kill an armadillo for them. I of course refuse to loan a firearm for obvious reasons and will not shoot because of city ordinances. If armadillos are the problem I loan them a baseball bat if they don’t have one. Baseball bats are great for killing armadillos, in fact to me there is less fuss and muss than when using a gun. Had to show two neighbors it can be done easily so word has gotten around.

If the issue is a rattlesnake I use a brush axe.

Gets the job done easily.

 

[Elkins45]

What powder are you using? One of the aspects that appealed to me about the big...er bored rifles is slower cast bullets for short range hunting.
I figure a 275-300 at around 2K should punch a pretty significant hole in just about anything short of previously mentioned cattle, and even those it should be fine.

Probably not a load you would care to duplicate. I use a case almost full of one of the surplus 50 BMG powders with a magnum primer. It’s technically way too slow and quite inefficient, but pressures are low and accuracy is good. It helps that the powder was $40 a jug.

 

[LoonWulf]

It’s taken 20 years but the city is encroaching on me and the city limits are now just across the road from my house where their is a new subdivision. In the past year I’ve had a couple of homeowners come over and ask me if I have a gun they can borrow or if I will come shoot a snake or kill an armadillo for them. I of course refuse to loan a firearm for obvious reasons and will not shoot because of city ordinances. If armadillos are the problem I loan them a baseball bat if they don’t have one. Baseball bats are great for killing armadillos, in fact to me there is less fuss and muss than when using a gun. Had to show two neighbors it can be done easily so word has gotten around.

If the issue is a rattlesnake I use a brush axe.
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Gets the job done easily.

Ive never seen a brush axe......that looks perfect for cane grass....no snakes here to speak of.

Probably not a load you would care to duplicate. I use a case almost full of one of the surplus 50 BMG powders with a magnum primer. It’s technically way too slow and quite inefficient, but pressures are low and accuracy is good. It helps that the powder was $40 a jug.

Yeah i looked at the surplus 50 cal powders a few times, but never could get anyone to go in on an order with me. I guess ill look at options for cast shooting and see what looks workable.


Here are the barrel pictures, these are roughly 1" reductions from the stock 26". Once a length is picked ill lop the barrel off, see how it looks for realzies, and remove it from the action to send to shaw. Ill likely have them increase the muzzle dia to .650 as its between .63 and .625 depending on where the barrel is shortened.
25"

24"

23"

22"

21"


I think im liking 23", which is the barrel length on the EuroBolts this stock is from....sorta.
21" looks too short to me.

 

[horsey300]

Ive never seen a brush axe......that looks perfect for cane grass....no snakes here to speak of.



Yeah i looked at the surplus 50 cal powders a few times, but never could get anyone to go in on an order with me. I guess ill look at options for cast shooting and see what looks workable.


Here are the barrel pictures, these are roughly 1" reductions from the stock 26". Once a length is picked ill lop the barrel off, see how it looks for realzies, and remove it from the action to send to shaw. Ill likely have them increase the muzzle dia to .650 as its between .63 and .625 depending on where the barrel is shortened.
25"
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24"
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23"
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22"
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21"
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I think im liking 23", which is the barrel length on the EuroBolts this stock is from....sorta.
21" looks too short to me.

I too am screaming 23"!!!

 

[adcoch1]

23", it's perfect....

 

[cdb1]

I like 23”.

 

[Gordon]

Indeed 23" . I was referring to the cattle being soft as dar as penetration IMHO which is not any where near as great as CDB 1 to which I defer. I do know the 250 .358 woodliegh bullets I used at about 2800 FPS muzzle velocity were only large riveting when they went clean thru at any angle. I wished they were softer. In The .375 H&H the 270 grain Remington core lokts at the 2600 fps they are supposed to be going opened very nicely and sometimes you could find the bullet in off side . the cattle were of varying size and sex but they were not part of the managed herd of large ranch owners who wanted them gone for a few years a couple decades back.

 

[LoonWulf]

Im gonna say the 23s have it. If i have time after doing the yard work tomorrow ill try lop and recrown the barrel. Im waffling now on doing the barrel install myself or sending the whole gun to shaw to do it. Bout doubles the cost but it would be easier.

 

[cdb1]

Indeed 23" . I was referring to the cattle being soft as dar as penetration IMHO which is not any where near as great as CDB 1 to which I defer. I do know the 250 .358 woodliegh bullets I used at about 2800 FPS muzzle velocity were only large riveting when they went clean thru at any angle. I wished they were softer. In The .375 H&H the 270 grain Remington core lokts at the 2600 fps they are supposed to be going opened very nicely and sometimes you could find the bullet in off side . the cattle were of varying size and sex but they were not part of the managed herd of large ranch owners who wanted them gone for a few years a couple decades back.

I see your point and don’t disagree.

 

[MCMXI]

I like the 22" barrel. I cut back my Talkeetna barrel from 24" to 22" and it looks and feels a lot better without any loss of performance. In the fall of 2015 I compared the velocity of the original 24" barrel with a friend's 19-1/2" barrel. I ended up "tweaking" the 250gr TTSX handload and now am getting 2,800 fps at the muzzle with sub 0.7 moa 5-shot groups.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/375-h-h-barrel-length-comparison-24-vs-19-5.788474/

QuickLOAD indicates that a .375 Ruger loaded with 72.8gr of Varget and a 260gr Nosler AccuBond will get 2,703 fps from a 23" barrel and 2,678 fps from a 22" barrel. It looks like you'd lose around 25 fps per inch since the same load produces 2,771 fps from a 26" barrel. I've been using QuickLOAD for at least 8 years and its predictions are surprisingly close to reality, particularly if you enter the correct case capacity and calibrate the burn rate of the powder.

 

[54Hawkin]

If it were me I'd go ruger. I would prefer such a rifle in 20-22" barrwl.

 

[H&Hhunter]

I cut my H&H down to 20”. With the right powder it lost almost nothing to a 24” barrel. Maybe 50 FPS off of book values.

If I were to do it over I’d cut it to 22”. There is no reason to go to 20” unless you’ve got a specific need for it. For me, at the time I was flying bush in AK and I wanted a rifle that would fit across the back of a rear seat in a Cessna 180. I had a scabbard made that hung over the back seat and my rifle would just fit at 20” barrel length. All I had to do was open the rear cargo door and slide the rifle in or out. It made for easy hauling of a rifle and didn’t take up any cargo space on the floor.

I’ve noticed lately that my velocity is starting to drop off on my .375. I don’t know if it’s powder lot related or if my chamber is starting to wear out. I’m guessing after a conservative 4,000 ish rounds down range through that rifle that it might well be getting a bit lose. If that’s the case I’ll rebarrel it at 22” this time.

 

[LoonWulf]

Got the barrel cut so here it is at 23". The muzzles .635 which might be large enough, but i may still have them up size it to .65 or maybe a little larger.

 

[LoonWulf]

Got the barrel off this morning, had to modify the blocks ive used as an action wrench on other projects. Teak works really well, so far this is the only gun i havent been able to get the barrel off with just clamping force. Course it could have been the reduced clamping area caused by the flats in the action. Then again those flats made a nice surface to keep the action from turning in the blocks, once i filled the block with epoxy.
I dont have access to the barrel wrench i made since i left it at work when we got laid off, so a big pipe wrench was all i had on hand....i wouldnt have left as many gouges in it if id just hit it with the 4lb sledge the first time. Ive generally found one sharp blow will brake a barrel free better than trying to just torque it off.
Dosent really matter the barrels shot anyway, just needed it to send to shaw to get the profile copied.

Ill have to get my barrel wrench from work, or make a new one before doing the install tho.