No, but penstration and expansion data do so very well.The lack of that information does not prevent us from assessing the sufficiency of the performance of the. 380.
No, but penstration and expansion data do so very well.The lack of that information does not prevent us from assessing the sufficiency of the performance of the. 380.
I sometimes carry my Beretta 84F, loaded with hot Underwood XTP loads. I feel pretty well armed with the combination. The Beretta carries well, and points like a finger for me. It has proven very accurate at extended ranges, even.
Mine is Israeli surplus, and I bought as more of a bargain priced whim. After I shot it, I changed my tune, it just fit my hand perfectly, and worked. To think that some guy probably patrolled Jerusalem or Tel Aviv with it, but I should be afraid in Cleveland seems laughable.
I know this isn't about another caliber war but might be interesting to show this again, well, looking at the title, I guess it is..NOT brought down from the mountain top on a stone tablet..just another interesting 'study' about caliber effectiveness.It's just an impossible question to answer . an elephant may be killed with a single 22lr and a racoon may take 10 rounds of 45 to be quickly killed. Too many variables , angle, clothing, exact shot placement, your targets individual anatomy, ECT. On and on. The best you can do is the best you can do. You already got your answer, yep 380 will most certainly disable an attacker. How long will it take? How longs a piece of string...
.380s in blow back guns have pretty snappy recoil , an LCP really wallops you
But no one in his right mind would conclude from that incident that .380 performance is not marginal.The lack of that information does not prevent us from assessing the sufficiency of the performance of the. 380.
Not necessarily.For example a 380, 38 special, or 9mm ball round through the pelvis bone will disable an attacker.
No, but penstration and expansion data do so very well.
No one in his right mind would choose a defensive load on the basis of how the projectiles move, topple, break, or penetrate various things--alone.
Those who know what they are doing RE: handgun wounding effectiveness have put a lot of effort into evaluating forensic medical data and the behavior of bullets penetrating barriers and ballistic gel. They have made assessments of what kind of performance is necessary to have a high likelihood of effecting timely physical stops when the hits are made in the right places at different entry angles.
The reasonableness of those assessments has been largely borne out by field experience.
The .380 is not one of the recommended defensive loads. It does not penetrate enough while reliably expanding enough.
As I said before, Tom Givens says it is marginal even with the best loads, and has some utility as a back-up gun.
I like to read these "whatever bullet in whatever caliber" threads but have to wonder about one thing. Just how many responders in these posts have actual experience in seeing what any bullet in any caliber does to a human. I know I will probably get hammered on but that's really the only way to tell. Shoot gelatin, vegetables, bottle of water or soda, meat from the store, whatever, and you will get some idea of the capabilites but it isn't a living, breathing, human. which is what we are usually discussing in a self defense situation. Police and military that have stood up against bad people are excused.
Glock 42 is prob the most shootable .380. Kahr P380 is snappier and the EC9S is snappy too since its a 9mm in such a light and small gun. Worth the price, it's like $400 now.I looked at the Glock 42s before I bought the TCP. Nice guns but at $450 IIRC I decided to pass. If I bought another 380 it would more likely be an LCPII. I looked at those the same time I looked at the Glocks.
Using this page from Handgun Hero there isn't any real difference between the Glock 42 and the new EC9s I just bought size wise. And I cast and reload for 9mm so ammo is easy and cheap. The Kahr P380 looks better to me than the Glock 42.
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/glock-g42-vs-ruger-lc9s