380 vs 9mm question

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The instructor said that the caliber was not making a difference at the contact range. His comment did not extend to 5 or 7 yards, which is still inside the self defense radius, BLB68.

Your thinking is inductive. You begin with a preferred conclusion and work your way back to find supporting evidence. In this case, it is incomplete.
 
My point here, though, is merely to observe with a chuckle and a shake of the head, how these threads almost always result in most posts advising people to go for the most powerful round and, yet, it is easy to find other threads going on simultaneously where people suggest all kinds of things for their wives, mothers, aging fathers, etc., etc. and seem quite comfortable suggesting these people carry .32 acp, .380, .38 special target wadcutters, and so on.

These "caliber" discussions are a lot like discussions about religion or politics -- lots of opinions, some strongly held, but most of the opinions offered with little supporting facts or evidence, one way or another. It's clear as a bell and any fool can see that X is right....

There's quite a bit of data available about the effectiveness of the larger calibers, but we've not been able to find evidence about the smaller calibers. Some folks seem to feel, for example, that a hollowpoint is a hollowpoint, regardless of caliber -- i.e., it will open up as expected, and do more damage than a FMJ. Others claim, with equal assurance, that FMJ in the smaller calibers are the only way to go, because HPs won't open up from those small, underpowered rounds.

When I picked up my first "pocket gun," a Kel-Tec P3AT, I believed that a HP was a HP. Since that time, I've been looking and looking for facts to support that belief that these smaller calibers will do the job, and simply haven't found it. Haven't found evidence that they WON'T do the job, either. Unhappily, the lack of evidence is not evidence, and there's remarkably little available for either side of the argument about these small calibers.

Why do people suggest these unverified/unproven things for their friends, family, etc.? It's because people often do dumb things, believing they're smart things, and there's not a lot of data around to make it clear that those things are dumb -- or smart.

As for the assertion that one should use the biggest caliber you can handle -- there is a fairly large body of data available about "results" when using the larger calibers, and little available for the smaller calibers. So, for some folks erring on the side of the calibers with "better than no information" seems to be a pretty sensible rationale.

I remember when I bought my first big gun safe, the guy I bought it from told me, "buy the biggest safe you can afford; you'll regret it if you don't."

I didn't, and I don't really regret it -- but I could sure use a larger gun safe, and they cost a lot more, now. Some advice is just common sense, but my pocketbook didn't recognize it for what it was.
 
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The instructor said that the caliber was not making a difference at the contact range. His comment did not extend to 5 or 7 yards, which is still inside the self defense radius, BLB68.

Your thinking is inductive. You begin with a preferred conclusion and work your way back to find supporting evidence. In this case, it is incomplete.

Seems to me you're the one having the thinking problem.

The point is if you put a .380 in someone's head at close range, it's likely to do the job. If you think a few yards is going to sap the energy out of the bullet to the point where that shot would fail, you need to start rethinking.

Try to follow along better before resorting to condescension next time, OK?
 
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Go with your wife to a gun range that rents guns and have her try both out.

I've a sister-in-law who got rid of her 9mm in favor of a .380 because of issues related to her hands. She's had several problems with her hands with included some surgeries over the years, and she can no longer handle her old 9mm as well as she used to because of that.

I don't remember what she's got for a 380...I THINK it's a PPK/S, but I'll have to check with her or my brother on that. The recoil is much easier on her hands than her old pistol.
 
I am a case in point here. I am not a small person at 6'1" and 225(give or take) but where I live I normally wear short sleeve shirts and shorts at least 9-10 months per year on my normal outings. I have virtually every caliber out there in a sidearm but I continually find myself preferring to carry a pistol in my pocket rather than IWB or OWB because it is just more comfortable for me. For this purpose I prefer the small .380s or maybe the pocket 9's but it comes down to weight more than dimensions for me. The pocket .380s, no need to really list a brand as there are several that are similar, fit easily into my cargo shorts pocket using a pocket holster and the weight of the loaded gun is really not noticeable to me. That is why I carry the .380 most of the time.

I practice with the .380 at ranges out to 10 yards. Draw from the pocket and shoot at a paper target. My accuracy is acceptable at that range.

Is the .380 as effective as a 9mm or the larger calibers? I can't answer that question. I just know that I prefer to carry a gun that I feel comfortable carrying.
 
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