400 Legend

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Buckeye63

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I sent Howa a email .. asking if they were planning on chambering their mini action in
400 Legend .. I received a “nope”…

Im sorta surprised.. hopefully with several other requests.. they may reconsider

The Howa mini-action make a great treestand option.. shorter action than a short action and a 16 inch barrel… a light compact carbine

I really like the 400 L concept
 
The 400 Legend intrigues me a bit … seems like a great cartridge , being it should perform great out of a light compact carbine with a 16 to 18 inch .. I think it would shine in a scout carbine…heavy hardcast bullet .. great for hawgs , deer & black bear
Ballistically similar to a 375 Winchester. But the ability to be used in boltguns and use of pointed bullets.. but personally I think it would shine with a cast 220-240 hardcast RN or SWC
 
Buckeye63 said:
The 400 Legend intrigues me a bit … seems like a great cartridge , being it should perform great out of a light compact carbine with a 16 to 18 inch .. I think it would shine in a scout carbine…heavy hardcast bullet .. great for hawgs , deer & black bear
Ballistically similar to a 375 Winchester. But the ability to be used in boltguns and use of pointed bullets.. but personally I think it would shine with a cast 220-240 hardcast RN or SWC
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This is kind of what I was thinking. I have been checking regularly to see if any rifles have been announced for it yet and so far nada as far as I can tell. I want to be excited for this round, but without any information on potential platforms I just can't get on that train yet.
 
Id say .. just about any gunmaker that has a platform for 350 Legend , will have one for the 400
I was leaning toward a Howa .. but probably a Ruger Ranch carbine or a Savage Axis will be the platform I will choose and probably a AR also
 
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Cartridges are always announced before the firearm. Mostly new cartridges are conceived so firearms manufacturers can sell more firearms, and ammo manufacturers can sell more ammo. Makes sense to me. If you purchased a firearm and there was no ammo being produced for it you might be little frustrated.

Being a re-loader I'll just stick with the cartridges that I know work.
 
if this can be made to push a 210-225 gr interlock between 2350-2400 fps it will lay down 2600-2800 ftlbs at the muzzle, my 350L it laying down right around 1800 ftlbs and it is a deer/pig hammer inside of 200, the 400L will be a 200 yard dangerous game gun in a relatively light package AR/scout set up in a standard 20 round AR mag you will loose 3-5 rounds compared to the 350L, it's based off of a 6.8spc case so in a standard length mag we will be looking at 15-17 rounds...yeah I'm interested especially in a Ruger MPR or Gunsight Scout
 
Not sure I see the point of a 400 L (or the 360 Buckhammer by Remington) when we already have the 350 L. I have 450 BM upper that just slams deer. So does my 350L upper and has a lot less recoil than the 450. Not sure where the 400 L (or 360BH) fits in other than just being another option.

I guess it's always good to have choices

BTW, I don't hunt in the straight walled cartridge part of my state so I can use anything I want.
 
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Seems like the heavier bullet option of 400 compared to the 350 .. larger diameter.. higher energy.. is the selling point for the 400 .. also use of the same platform…
I too can hunt with whatever… my choice is a 30-30
.. but the 400 interests me .. the 350 .. never did
Use of 220-250 hardcast bullets seem neat ..
also even though it officially hasn’t been released .. It already has quite a reputation..
 
My 350L loves 165 gr FTXs for Deer, and 200 gr round nosed gas checked cast boolits for plinking. It nips at the heels of the .35 Rem and .38-55, both proven game getters under 200 yards. Recoil is light, accuracy fantastic.
What will the .400 do better?
 
tactikel said:
My 350L loves 165 gr FTXs for Deer, and 200 gr round nosed gas checked cast boolits for plinking. It nips at the heels of the .35 Rem and .38-55, both proven game getters under 200 yards. Recoil is light, accuracy fantastic.
What will the .400 do better?
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.400 diameter bullet vs .356 …
Use of heavier bullets
Just a more powerful round increased dow range energy
That’s about it

But .. recoil will increase … Im not sure how much

I think the 400 will probably be purchased by people that don’t hunt in a restrictive state .. and the 400 will be purchased by me .. 16in -18in barrel boltgun
and a AR platform…. Great hawg , black bear option

Pulled this from a article
“So now comes the question, why the 400 Legend? The demand was definitely there for the 350 Legend, but of course, like many things, it had certain limitations. For those hunters looking for more range with heavier bullet weight options, the 400 Legend does fill a gap. It has more than 25 percent more energy and greater penetration than the 350 Legend, with the energy equivalent to a 450 Bushmaster—but with 20 percent less recoil.'

To me the 400 Legend makes me think of the 375 Winchester
But it bests the 375 Winchester
400L 215 gr Velocity 2,250 Energy 2,416
375W 200 gr Velocity 2,100 Energy 1,958
Also being a pointed bullet more effective downrange
Actually the 400L knocks on the 444M door when the 444 is fired out of a 20 inch ( even out of the 24in barrel)

Winchester produced the 307 , 356 & 375 all higher pressure cartridges developed for the beefed up 94 bigbore
Winchester developed a 400 Winchester.. but was never produced.. another high pressure round for the 94 Bigbore .. which probably would have been the best of the bunch …
 
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Buckeye63 said:
.400 diameter bullet vs .356 …
Use of heavier bullets
Just a more powerful round increased dow range energy
That’s about it

But .. recoil will increase … Im not sure how much

I think the 400 will probably be purchased by people that don’t hunt in a restrictive state .. and the 400 will be purchased by me .. 16in -18in barrel boltgun
and a AR platform…. Great hawg , black bear option

Pulled this from a article
“So now comes the question, why the 400 Legend? The demand was definitely there for the 350 Legend, but of course, like many things, it had certain limitations. For those hunters looking for more range with heavier bullet weight options, the 400 Legend does fill a gap. It has more than 25 percent more energy and greater penetration than the 350 Legend, with the energy equivalent to a 450 Bushmaster—but with 20 percent less recoil.'

To me the 400 Legend makes me think of the 375 Winchester
But it bests the 375 Winchester
400L 215 gr Velocity 2,250 Energy 2,416
375W 200 gr Velocity 2,100 Energy 1,958
Also being a pointed bullet more effective downrange


Winchester produced the 307 , 356 & 375 all higher pressure cartridges developed for the beefed up 94 bigbore
Winchester developed a 400 Winchester.. but was never produced.. another high pressure round for the 94 Bigbore .. which probably would have been the best of the bunch …
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I'm curious about the actual recoil numbers, they say 450 muzzle energy with less recoil. It seems to me that if the muzzle energy is nearly identical, along with velocity and bullet weight is close, then the recoil should be similar. I wonder if they played with rifle weights to manipulate the recoil numbers for marketing
 
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mountain_man said:
I'm curious about the actual recoil numbers, they say 450 muzzle energy with less recoil. It seems to me that if the muzzle energy is nearly identical, along with velocity and bullet weight is close, then the recoil should be similar. I wonder if they played with rifle weights to manipulate the recoil numbers for marketing
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They mention 25% more energy vs the 350 ?
Im sure that adds some increased recoil .. Im sure it will be much less than the 450BM
Id like to have the 400 in a scout setup
 
And also .. I don’t think a Whitetail would ever k ow the difference between the 350L or 400L ..
and multiple other calibers ..
i think 10mm fans ( such as myself) will migrate to the 400L … its like a the Super Duper 10mm
Like the 350L compared to the 9mm :)
 
The art of "good enough" is always the most difficult of abilities to master.
(On that thought, what 40-cal/10mm bullets are available for use at 2,000fps +)
 
Like the 350 Legend… that uses 9mm bullets they will be bullets developed for 400 L velocities

But …. 225-250 grain Hardcast bullets will be used in the 400 L ..
In a video above a fellow tests a coated 240 gr hardcast bullet in some jello .. actually was impressive
Same fellow tests copper solid bullets in other videos
 
Buckeye63 said:
And also .. I don’t think a Whitetail would ever know the difference between the 350L or 400L ..
and multiple other calibers ..
i think 10mm fans ( such as myself) will migrate to the 400L … its like a the Super Duper 10mm
Like the 350L compared to the 9mm :)
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This is what happens when 10mm and 350L have a child! The "Legend" part is really the main problem with this offering.
If only that had named is something like "10mm Awesomer" or "10mm Annihilator" or even the "10mm Epic"
:D
 
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