410 how hard does it kick?

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I'm gonna agree with oneounceload's suggestion of a good dog. I hope you don't take it the wrong way, but guns in untrained hands would be as much a liability as a help to you.
 
I agree with a lot that has been said about the 410 shotguns. Youth models would be a good choice. As a start, I would suggest a trip to a Local Gun Store and see what is a available. Take your time and shop around. In the mean time get a couple cans of a good wasp spray. They have a reach of up to thirty feet and are simple to use. A shot of that in someone's face is a strong deterent. Followed with a baseball bat to disable and you are done. The cans of wasp spray can be set around the house and non will be the wiser. Just my 2 cents.
 
77 with a bad hand and no experience changes everything. I'd go with a reliable .22 semi-auto with quality ammunition. With a little training she can light a bad guy up with a half dozen quick hits to the face/neck/torso and send him the other direction or drop him in his tracks. Plus with the low recoil she can stay in the fight much longer than if she is armed with a gun she can't fire more than a couple times without pain.
 
thanks for all the comments.i am 77 but not interested in a gun for myself. I have a
failing heart and i'm interested in her self defence after I'm gone.I did buy a .223 cal. ar15 style gun shoots 30 rounds but it"s too heavy for her to handle.If she gets something she will shoot,I'll take her to a range couple times a month.she is 60 and still works everyday
 
The AR is too heavy? Well. Downgrade to a GI 20 rounder and see if taking a few ounces off helps. Otherwise I have to say you're limited to a .22 LR. The marlin 795 is one of the lightest semi autos that comes to mind. It's 4.5 pounds and has a 10 shot magazine. No reliable hi caps are available for it, but at least she should be able to hold it.

Ruger has a 10/22 Compact that also weights 4.5 pounds, if you can find one. The regular 10/22 is 5-6 pounds, not much lighter than the AR.
 
put a 20 round mag in the AR and a collasped stock (esp if 4'11") and lighten it up! Aren't gonna get any lighter than an AR without stuff on it. Actually a good choice.
 
An old Nylon 66 would be great too, holds 12 rounds and weighs 4lbs, can fire very rapidly, I love mine.
 
I would suggest getting a polymer lower receiver from New Frontier Armory. This would help save a lot of weight over a standard receiver. You can find them here:
http://www.lw15.com/index.php

And then a lightweight hand guard like this would help some also. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=...z1zzM4/Product/AR-15-M16-M4-CARBINE-HANDGUARD

You could also take the gun to a local gunsmith and describe your problem, ask if they could help you make the gun as light as possible, and they can probably help.
 
If an ar-15 is too heavy, a .410 isn't going to be light enough. If she isn't trained to use whatever she gets, it will be useless or dangerous if she actually tries to shoot someone with one. Regardless of what you do gun-wise, I would also recommend a good dog, as many others have. A smart, loyal dog can do some amazing things to protect the house. I have a 15 1/2 year old mutt that can tell who is at the door by sniffing at the edges. Back in her prime, she chased an intruder out of our garage way before I could get there (both running down the stairs). She also went after some perv flashing my wife and chased him off. If my wife had let go of the leash, she really could have done her job. :evil:
 
My gf is small, blonde and cute. She is home alone more often than not. She is also terrified of guns and will not even shoot my semi auto 22. I don't know if it is legal in your municipality or not (in many they are not, sadly) but I got a big, red nosed pit bull. She is great with the kids and is a hell of a deterant to anyone coming to the house. Some people will not even come in the house when we're home. I think pits have gotten a bad rap but it really works in my favor.

As for the original question of 410 recoil, A 410 is not a 22 and it does have a recoil. As a larger person, it's hard for me to comment on it but don't expect it to be as mild as a 22.
 
i'd say go with a ruger 10/22 as well... you can buy 25 round mag's from ruger and the hyper-velocity hollowpoins available are nothing to sniff at... for an older lady who wont be shooting past 30-40 yards this would make her much more potent than a .410... plus there is 0 recoil and even the premium ammo is cheap enough for her to get alot of trigger time and practice operating the controls... with 25 rounds of .22lr she could draw down on a heavy and fire until he flees or quits kickin... whatever route you take, good luck and god bless.
 
Grendal P-30
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Not really an option, since not only have they not been made in years, but when made, not as many were built as other carbines mentioned in thread.

The Kel-Tec PMR-30, on the other hand, is current manufacture. If she can handle the noise...

John
 
So, guys, at what age is it considered inappropriate to consider a firearm for lawful personal and home defense? I didn't know there was one, but I'm surprised at the number of respondents telling him to keep away from guns.
I see from a later post she has acquired a Taurus PT-22 to learn with, and has not yet shot herself or her husband.
 
So, guys, at what age is it considered inappropriate to consider a firearm for lawful personal and home defense? I didn't know there was one, but I'm surprised at the number of respondents telling him to keep away from guns.
I see from a later post she has acquired a Taurus PT-22 to learn with, and has not yet shot herself or her husband.
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When the OP says this:


i'm looking for a gun for my wife home defence. she's 4 ft 11 in tall and has a bad hand. i never had a gun i'm 77. the way the world is now. maybe i need one
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I'm still thinking German Shepherd and pepper spray, coupled with one of those "life line" type devices that instantly connects you with folks who can summon emergency responders
 
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