hello everyone i am new here and i am looking for a gun to last me a lifetime and i am looking for something i can buy and buy parts online and fix myself well i know that shotgun parts are hard to find online for the cheap 100-200 shotguns i know the ruger 10/22 has parts online and they are cheap , with that being said i want to buy extra parts so i am prepared if something would happen i would have the parts to fix it if the **** hits the fan , well i am torn between the two i can get either the ruger 10/22 for 230.00 or get a 410 single shotgun hatfield , stevens 301 or a ati nomad . those are my choices i do not like pump shotguns and i don't like used guns i only buy new and i will not be paying over 230.00 for a gun so with that being said which should i choose and why ? i do not hunt but i want this gun to protect me from snakes , bobcats and coyotes when i hike camp and fish . any information will be great i really like the shotguns with the shell holder it holds 13 rounds on the buttstock so i could reload pretty fast , i only want the 410 i do not want a 12 or 20 due to the recoil because i have a bad shoulder and i am disable . well thank you for your time .
410 vs 10/22 ruger ? help me pick
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earlthegoat2
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10/22.
Parts availability as one of your prerequisites and this is the second most supported platform out there.
A BX 25 magazine or two and you will not be undergunned.
Parts availability as one of your prerequisites and this is the second most supported platform out there.
A BX 25 magazine or two and you will not be undergunned.
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I'll second the 10/22. It is a lot more gun than a single shot .410. more range, more accuracy, cheaper ammo, and faster follow up shots. I am a fan of the .410, but it definitely isn't an all around gun, even less so in a single shot.
For a 10/22, I'd recommend a Ruger 10/22.
For a .410, I'd recommend a Mossberg 500 pump shotgun.
Both guns are reliable and will probably never need repairs if cared for. But, both guns are quite popular so parts should be available in some form or fashion for a long time.
The Mossberg .410 with the appropriate 3" shells can be good medicine for bobcats or coyotes at closer ranges, less than 40 yards or so. A 22 rimfire will not take care of these animals reliably.
The 22 rimfire will dispatch small critters well and will be fun to plink with for entertainment.
For a .410, I'd recommend a Mossberg 500 pump shotgun.
Both guns are reliable and will probably never need repairs if cared for. But, both guns are quite popular so parts should be available in some form or fashion for a long time.
The Mossberg .410 with the appropriate 3" shells can be good medicine for bobcats or coyotes at closer ranges, less than 40 yards or so. A 22 rimfire will not take care of these animals reliably.
The 22 rimfire will dispatch small critters well and will be fun to plink with for entertainment.
I have found a long gun. even a carbine to but pretty much worthless for hiking and fishing. They are just to big to lug around with you and will end up staying in the truck after your first outing... well for me at least.
If you are new to firearms and looking for a good place to start I would highly reccomend a 10/22. 35 years later I still own my first 10/22. A shotgun is great for birds and trap but not nearly as universal as a rifle. A .22lr, your first .22lr is a pretty timeless firearm and a Ruger 10/22 is a great place to start.
For camping, hiking and fishing I find a hand gun to be much more useful. For me a pistol is something that I will actually carry and hve on me when I need it unlike a long gun that is back in the car. For a first gun though a 10/22 is a great place to start!
If you are new to firearms and looking for a good place to start I would highly reccomend a 10/22. 35 years later I still own my first 10/22. A shotgun is great for birds and trap but not nearly as universal as a rifle. A .22lr, your first .22lr is a pretty timeless firearm and a Ruger 10/22 is a great place to start.
For camping, hiking and fishing I find a hand gun to be much more useful. For me a pistol is something that I will actually carry and hve on me when I need it unlike a long gun that is back in the car. For a first gun though a 10/22 is a great place to start!
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A 22 for sure, but I’m not sure I would go with a 10/22. For simplicity I would probably go bolt action. 10/22s are good guns, as are marlin 795 and marlin 60, but the problem with a 10/22 carbine is that accuracy is ok at best and they are a bit clumsy on bolt hold open. Rotary box magazines kinda work, but there’s a reason nobody else uses them. That magazine is the weakest part of a 10/22 and it’s easy enough to buy a bx25 or butler creek mag, etc. moving to a simpler bolt action rifle avoids a lot of internal wear parts that could fail, especially springs. For a buy once and live with it situation, I would be looking hard at a 22 bolt rifle. Ruger makes a nice one but it still uses the rotary box mag.
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Well I'll buck the trend. (flame suit on) "10/22 is a POS!"
I'm not going to delve much into your implied purpose, as that's actually a rule violation here, however...
If you're looking for a multi purpose firearm that can be used for self defense and small game hunting, that is super reliable and durable...a break open shotgun is about as simple, reliable, and durable, as you can get.
Unfortunately, your budget precludes it, but otherwise, I would suggest a combo gun from Savage. 22LR barrel on tip and 410 on the bottom.
If you're set on a 22, then I agree with earlier statements: look for a bolt gun. Simpler. More reliable. Easier to maintain/clean. If you just want an "adult lego" you can change and customize, so that you have a one-off (like every other 10/22 owner in the world), then, yeah, I guess a 10/22.
The real benefits for a 22LR, for your implied purpose is that you can carry a crap ton of ammo for little weight and less space in your pack.
I hope I have sufficiently muddied the waters.
I'm not going to delve much into your implied purpose, as that's actually a rule violation here, however...
If you're looking for a multi purpose firearm that can be used for self defense and small game hunting, that is super reliable and durable...a break open shotgun is about as simple, reliable, and durable, as you can get.
Unfortunately, your budget precludes it, but otherwise, I would suggest a combo gun from Savage. 22LR barrel on tip and 410 on the bottom.
If you're set on a 22, then I agree with earlier statements: look for a bolt gun. Simpler. More reliable. Easier to maintain/clean. If you just want an "adult lego" you can change and customize, so that you have a one-off (like every other 10/22 owner in the world), then, yeah, I guess a 10/22.
The real benefits for a 22LR, for your implied purpose is that you can carry a crap ton of ammo for little weight and less space in your pack.
I hope I have sufficiently muddied the waters.
Your bobcats and coyotes must be more aggressive than the ones where I live! ...But I get it... I take a .22 camping sometimes... maybe there'll be a rabid/diseased/wounded predator out there... most likely not, but it's an excuse to have a gun!
I've owned ten .22 rifles, which includes autoloading, bolt action, lever action, break action, and pump/slide action models. I've parted with three of them. Of the remaining seven, three are 10/22s. Admittedly, none of mine are in stock form, and all have eclipsed $230 after modifications. Enough people say that Marlin 60's are more accurate out of the box to to make me think it may be true, but I've never had one.
The 10/22s rotary magazines have never been a big problem for me. I had far more trouble with the single stack magazines for my Savage and Remington semi-autos (which are among the three I got rid of). I also prefer the flush fit of the rotary magazine. It looks better to me and it makes the gun nicer to carry one-handed (because the balance point of most rifles is right near the magazine well).
I'll mention I also have a couple single shot shotguns (20 ga. in my case). They are fun, but I get a lot more use out of my .22s.
I've owned ten .22 rifles, which includes autoloading, bolt action, lever action, break action, and pump/slide action models. I've parted with three of them. Of the remaining seven, three are 10/22s. Admittedly, none of mine are in stock form, and all have eclipsed $230 after modifications. Enough people say that Marlin 60's are more accurate out of the box to to make me think it may be true, but I've never had one.
The 10/22s rotary magazines have never been a big problem for me. I had far more trouble with the single stack magazines for my Savage and Remington semi-autos (which are among the three I got rid of). I also prefer the flush fit of the rotary magazine. It looks better to me and it makes the gun nicer to carry one-handed (because the balance point of most rifles is right near the magazine well).
I'll mention I also have a couple single shot shotguns (20 ga. in my case). They are fun, but I get a lot more use out of my .22s.
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My father bough me one used from a gun shop in 1985. I have no idea how many rounds were already through it when I got it. For the next 6 years, I fired 50 round boxes through it every week. Then I started shooting Service Rifle, and it became my practice gun; I fired bricks through it every week. (I was also working at a gun range, so that helped lol.) This went on for years. I put it away for a while when my son was born, but I brought it back out about 5 years ago. It still shoots dime-sized, one-hole groups at 50 yards. At some point, a couple years back, a spring broke inside the side plate assembly. Instead of taking all of the springs out of the assembly and likely not being able to reassemble it, I bought an entirely new assembly for the abusive price of fifty bucks from Brownell's.
Yeah. Bought used at a pawn shop. Fired a lot for 35 years. Still a tack driver. One repair costing 25% of a new gun. I'll take that Marlin Model 60 to the grave.
PS: I never once...not one single time, had a mag fall out, a mag malfunction, lost a mag, or had any problem with a mag...ever. For a rimfire, tube feed is the way to go. Speaking of which, I'm still on the original spring in the magazine tube!
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I'd go with the 10-22 or Marlin 60. Plenty parts for both.
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You didn't say for what purpose when the you know what hits the fan? Pest control? Small game hunting?
I own a 10/22 and a Marlin 60 and I'll take the marlin every time - more accurate, less expensive and just as reliable. And since you won't spend more than $230 for any gun, I wouldn't waste the time on cheap shotguns like that. If your budget was larger, then I'd opt for the 410 in a reliable gun.
I own a 10/22 and a Marlin 60 and I'll take the marlin every time - more accurate, less expensive and just as reliable. And since you won't spend more than $230 for any gun, I wouldn't waste the time on cheap shotguns like that. If your budget was larger, then I'd opt for the 410 in a reliable gun.
Milkmaster
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Why not have both. If you aren't in a hurry you can find these reasonable.
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Or even this in a newer model. Probably not for $230 though.
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Savage 42. That's something I suggested earlier, but it's way beyond the OP's budget.
The reviews I've seen, and the one sample I've actually put hands on, show that thing to have poor build quality, especially given its heritage and current price point. I would love to have one otherwise.
Buddy of mine has one of the original Savage 24s in 410/22LR. Takes turkeys and squirrels with it every year. It was his Dad's and now his son is hunting with it. Totally different guns. Then again, cheap plastic is disposable and that it s a quality all its own.
cdb1
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Getting attacked by a coyote or bobcat is about my last worry in the world. I’d go 10/22, Model 60 or Henry AR-7.
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Well there is a lot of good advice here, and you'll find the people are nice.
You rarely need to actually shoot a snake. I was a desert guide for over 30 years and only killed 2. The way to avoid snakes is to keep your eyes open. As for bobcats and coyotes, unless you are a little person under 3' tall you have little to fear. They are more scared of YOU.
I have a Savage 42 and like it even though that red band on the fore end rolls off like a rubber band. You might consider saving up for it so you can have your cake and eat it too.
My last 10/22 I bought at Walmart for only $169.95 a few years ago. Shop around.
Yeah they are fun guns to shoot AND to work on. Put a paint mark on your mags in case you shoot with somebody who also has one. (One time Charlie Fowler said to me, "Wow, you put the same initials on your climbing hardware as me!" He was joking).
I got the bug and built up an AMT clone, good scope and Timney trigger. Set me back over $600 but it is a tack driver.
I like 410s too. My first was a stainless break open single shot with an 18" barrel called a Snake Charmer that cost $59.99. Used it on one of those snakes too. I also have a long barreled Judge, but it was pricey. It would be a good defense piece and doesn't kick very hard. It shoots both 410 and .45 Colt.
EDIT George it was 3 years ago and last fall Cal-Ranch had a sale that marked them down to $179.95
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I don’t think you “muddied” the water, I think you made a baseless statement that lacks any factual support.
The Ruger 10-22 isn’t one of the most prolific.22 rifles of the last 20 years because it’s a POS. It may not be the most accurate, the prettiest, or the “most hipster choice” 22 rifle out there, but they are a solid choice of many thousands of Americans who beat the crap out of them and they just keep working.
They are easy to maintain, easy to modify, cheap to repair, and very reliable. Maybe you had a bad experience, and surely there have been some lemons made, but if the gun was a POS as you say, Ruger surely wouldn’t sell as many as they do.
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410? Go 20g. Cheaper per effectiveness ammo.
22, best auto loader I've had for years is an older 550-1 Glenfield.
Lever 22, Marlin 39a gold.
Over under, Savage 22/20g.
Good enough I've not had any need to familiarize any others.
22, best auto loader I've had for years is an older 550-1 Glenfield.
Lever 22, Marlin 39a gold.
Over under, Savage 22/20g.
Good enough I've not had any need to familiarize any others.
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For a new production .22LR rifle, my choices would be between a Ruger 10/22 or a Marlin Mdl 60. Both are capable rifles. Current production single shot shotgun would be a Savage/Stevens Mdl 301. Forget .410, go with 20ga. The Marlin has the advantage of not having a magazine to lose or break. Ruger has a larger aftermarket customization available.
Whenever I walk into a gun shop nowadays, the term "they don't make them like they used to" comes to mind. If I had my choice in your situation, I would get an old Stevens or H&R single shot 410 or 20ga with a modified choke. There were millions of these made, in various configurations, and parts are everywhere. Quite possibly the most reliable guns ever made, and simple. Shoot anything from bird shot to slugs. Barrel inserts would let you shoot nearly anything. About 150.00 would be an expensive one.
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