45-70 Vs. 9.3X62
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skinewmexico
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CZ. I'm thinking the 9.3 has a trajectory slightly better than a brick.
Float Pilot
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I like both cartridges about equally. But I like the CZ rifles much more than the Marlin Guide Guns. I have worked on a few of the stainless Marlins and they need lots of internal polishing and de-burring. Plus the Marlins have a limit on how long you can load the cartridge due to the receiver design.
You usually have to really rack a Marlin action to make sure it will not jam up when around dangerous game. The CZ is a classic Mauser action and is pretty quite by comparison and very smooth.
Now the Marlin lovers will be on me like wolves.... only because they have not shot my Old Winchester 86s...Now that is a smooth levergun...
You usually have to really rack a Marlin action to make sure it will not jam up when around dangerous game. The CZ is a classic Mauser action and is pretty quite by comparison and very smooth.
Now the Marlin lovers will be on me like wolves.... only because they have not shot my Old Winchester 86s...Now that is a smooth levergun...
I haven't really found any of that to be the case with my stainless Guide Gun. It's one of the two rifles I plan to keep the rest of my life.
One advantage of the .45-70 is bullet selection, especially with the assortment of relatively affordable cast bullets available. The Guide Gun is also about a half pound lighter if you plan to carry it around much.
One advantage of the .45-70 is bullet selection, especially with the assortment of relatively affordable cast bullets available. The Guide Gun is also about a half pound lighter if you plan to carry it around much.
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My non stainless Guide gun is short, handy and very smooth . I do admit that I did a little polishing of sharp edges and anything that looked like it might be a burr, but I do that to all my Marlins and 30 minutes of tinkering can smooth one up a good bit.
I do not know anything about the 9.
3 cartridge. If that's the one Ruger is putting into the #1 I would like it but I think that is the 74mm long case. 45-70 ammo is fairly common, being found at most decent gunshops, even big box sporting goods stores, if that is a consideration.
I have to agree about the 86 Win being smooth. Cannot comment about the CZ in large calibers, the only one I have handled is my little 22 Hornet, and the miniature action is not that smooth.
My non stainless Guide gun is short, handy and very smooth . I do admit that I did a little polishing of sharp edges and anything that looked like it might be a burr, but I do that to all my Marlins and 30 minutes of tinkering can smooth one up a good bit.
I do not know anything about the 9.
3 cartridge. If that's the one Ruger is putting into the #1 I would like it but I think that is the 74mm long case. 45-70 ammo is fairly common, being found at most decent gunshops, even big box sporting goods stores, if that is a consideration.
browningguy
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They are such different guns and calibers I can't imagine them being considered together. The 45-70 is a short range stopper, and fits the Marlin platform well. Shots at 100 yards or so when you need to put something down quickly.
The 9.3 is the only cartridge under .375 that's legal in some countries for dangerous game hunting, it's really considered the equal of the .375 H&H by many hunters. Good trajectory and retained energy and quite suitable for 250-300 yard shooting on plains game.
If I was picking one to go to Africa the CZ 9.3 would win hands down.
If I was picking one for a bear gun in Alaska the Marlin 45-70.
The 9.3 is the only cartridge under .375 that's legal in some countries for dangerous game hunting, it's really considered the equal of the .375 H&H by many hunters. Good trajectory and retained energy and quite suitable for 250-300 yard shooting on plains game.
If I was picking one to go to Africa the CZ 9.3 would win hands down.
If I was picking one for a bear gun in Alaska the Marlin 45-70.
Kimber1911_06238
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I like the .45-70. In a modern gun you can load them super hot!
Danw791;
My neighbor two doors down came home with a CZ550 American in 9.3 X 62 late last fall. If I didn't already have a .338 Winchester magnum, I could see myself owning one. We both reload & were checking out the manuals to see just what the round can do. It's a thumper alright. And I see it becoming more popular in this country also. And that means more .366" bullets will be forthcoming from additional manufacturer's.
The CZ platform is a quality product IMHO. I own a CZ452 and a 527, both excellent guns. I don't have a 550 (yet) because they haven't released the 550 in left hand bolt at this time. But I sincerely doubt that you'll be disappointed with the CZ.
900F
My neighbor two doors down came home with a CZ550 American in 9.3 X 62 late last fall. If I didn't already have a .338 Winchester magnum, I could see myself owning one. We both reload & were checking out the manuals to see just what the round can do. It's a thumper alright. And I see it becoming more popular in this country also. And that means more .366" bullets will be forthcoming from additional manufacturer's.
The CZ platform is a quality product IMHO. I own a CZ452 and a 527, both excellent guns. I don't have a 550 (yet) because they haven't released the 550 in left hand bolt at this time. But I sincerely doubt that you'll be disappointed with the CZ.
900F
I would consider the 9.3X62 as a .358 Winchester with flatter trajectory and a bit more energy.
Effective hunting range of 300 meters.
Popular in Europe for moose and stag hunting.
.45-70 has lots of energy and a slower, heavier bullet.
I don't push it past 200 meters for an effective hunting range.
Great cartridge for deer, black bear, and feral hogs.
Effective hunting range of 300 meters.
Popular in Europe for moose and stag hunting.
.45-70 has lots of energy and a slower, heavier bullet.
I don't push it past 200 meters for an effective hunting range.
Great cartridge for deer, black bear, and feral hogs.
EHCRain10
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I would think that the new leverevolution rounds from Hornady would help to stretch the range of the 45-70, not sure how much but it would add some range due to the better BC of the spire point instead of the conventional flat points used in the 45-70
Bigfoot;
I haven't shot his gun, and I don't have a program that generates recoil energy numbers either. But, here's the data.
My .338 is at 2900 fps muzzle with a 225 grain bullet. The Hornady manual calculates that that combination delivers 4201 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle. Speer 14 gives a max load 2583 fps with their 270 grain bullet for the 9.3 X 62.
Since Hornady does not produce a .366" bullet, there's no direct data in their ballistics tables in book two of the 6th edition. So, derived data from the .375 round nose 270 grain bullet at 2600 gives 4052 ft lbs of energy, 2500 fps gives 3746 ft lbs, both at the muzzle.
Using that, I feel I can say that the 9.3 will not recoil as hard as my .338. But, it's also not going to be far behind. If you're at or near max load, you will notice it when you turn one loose.
900F
I haven't shot his gun, and I don't have a program that generates recoil energy numbers either. But, here's the data.
My .338 is at 2900 fps muzzle with a 225 grain bullet. The Hornady manual calculates that that combination delivers 4201 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle. Speer 14 gives a max load 2583 fps with their 270 grain bullet for the 9.3 X 62.
Since Hornady does not produce a .366" bullet, there's no direct data in their ballistics tables in book two of the 6th edition. So, derived data from the .375 round nose 270 grain bullet at 2600 gives 4052 ft lbs of energy, 2500 fps gives 3746 ft lbs, both at the muzzle.
Using that, I feel I can say that the 9.3 will not recoil as hard as my .338. But, it's also not going to be far behind. If you're at or near max load, you will notice it when you turn one loose.
900F
bl4ckd0g
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You can also use paper-patched .358" bullets in the 9.3x62 to widen your bullet selection.
I'd probably compare it to a .35 Whelen more so than a .358 Winchester.
I'd probably compare it to a .35 Whelen more so than a .358 Winchester.
bl4ckd0g
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