.45 Auto other than 230 grain

I am curious if there are lighter weight bullets offered in .45 Auto. I found this but since it is +P I don't think the lighter weight bullet is going to reduce recoil for me. How would something like this 175 grain +P compare to a standard 230 grain .45 ACP cartridge?
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Almost all the .45 ACP I shoot is my own handloads, which have been anything from 185 grain to 230grain. 175 grain is starting to get into "exotic round" territory. Maybe look this one up on the manufacturer's website and see what they say about it.

What are you shooting .45 ACP out of, that recoil is a problem? (aaah, I see. Bond Arms deranger. Yeah, ain't nuthin' gonna make that less unfun.)
 
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Problem with +P is simply that the ammunition exceeds the SAAMI pressures that have been established for a given commercial load. How far the pressure limit has been exceeded is never listed. You might be perfectly fine (and probably would be) but if a manufacturer advises against using +P in their products I don't know that finding consensus on the internet is the best way to arrive at a decision.
I don't get what is the problem with Magtech brand ammo. As for +P in a Bond .45 ACP barrel, I can't see how that would be a problem when they sell barrels in much more powerful calibers, but I won't do it. Thanks!
 
Almost all the .45 ACP I shoot is my own handloads, which have been anything from 185 grain to 230grain. 175 grain is starting to get into "exotic round" territory. Maybe look this one up on the manufacturer's website and see what they say about it.

What are you shooting .45 ACP out of, that recoil is a problem? (aaah, I see. Bond Arms deranger. Yeah, ain't nuthin' gonna make that less unfun.)
Oh, it's fun, but in a perverse sort of way.
 
I don't get what is the problem with Magtech brand ammo. As for +P in a Bond .45 ACP barrel, I can't see how that would be a problem when they sell barrels in much more powerful calibers, but I won't do it. Thanks!
Contact Bond Arms and ask them about it. The warning I pasted from their website is pretty generic, and could actually be an admonishment against using +P Colt as opposed to .45 ACP. Maybe +P .45 ACP is not specific to the warning. The .410 / .45 Colt barrel chambers are long enough to insert .454 Casull, but clearly one should not use Casull in a .45 Colt.

Frangible ammunition is really designed for practice as the 'bullet' will basically turn to powder when it contacts a back-stop. I would not consider it a good choice for self-defense, any more than I would consider a .45 ACP bird-shot loading for self-defense.
 
Problem with +P is simply that the ammunition exceeds the SAAMI pressures that have been established for a given commercial load. How far the pressure limit has been exceeded is never listed. You might be perfectly fine (and probably would be) but if a manufacturer advises against using +P in their products I don't know that finding consensus on the internet is the best way to arrive at a decision.

SAAMI defined +P loads have pressure limits just like non+P ammo. 45 Auto has a SAAMI max pressure limit of 21,000 psi. The 45 Auto +P has a SAAMI max pressure limit of 23,000 psi, so it will not exceed that.

Ammo marked +P+ has an unknown pressure because it exceeds the +P limit, though the manufacturer likely knows what the number is. Also, anything labeled +P that does not have a SAAMI +P limit, like .380 Auto, also has an unknown pressure limit because SAMMI does not have a +P limit for that cartridge.
 
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Yep, I have enough pain in my right wrist from a youthful hyper-extension (skateboarding accident) that I need to be careful how hard my hand is hit with recoil. But I do like .45s, a lot!
My pleasure in excessively rorty loads is long gone. My .45 loads are short of full house hardball, and the .45 Colts are punkin' rollers. A lot of my fellow codgers at the Club have the same issue.
Moon
 
My pleasure in excessively rorty loads is long gone. My .45 loads are short of full house hardball, and the .45 Colts are punkin' rollers. A lot of my fellow codgers at the Club have the same issue.
Moon
I used to have a source for low-priced ammo and this company offered reduced recoil loads, but sadly the business closed. At 65 injuries suffered in my younger days come back to haunt me. If this wrist gets any worse I may have to try shooting left handed, but that will require some strength training and a lot of practice. Else I have to quit being so macho and accept a smaller caliber for target practice. .22s are fun to shoot, but ya miss that big boom of the large calibers. I also could go over to rifles which would not impact the wrist much at all. My shoulder seems to be pretty good, no injuries.
 
I used to have a source for low-priced ammo and this company offered reduced recoil loads,
Those 185 gr SWCs should be pretty mild by any standard.
The left hand shooting thing indeed requires some adjustment. We've been doing a snubby league that requires 5 rounds weak handed, which is truly humbling. It reminds me of the first shots I took with a centerfire handgun.
Late in his life, I made a handgunner of a colleague. He had a pacemaker installed in his right chest, and could no longer fire a rifle. I've a pacer myself, and they asked me if I was a hunter, when they put mine in, to avoid that problem.
I'm not crazy about hard kicking rifles either.
Moon
 
My department uses these lead free frangible Winchester rounds for indoor range work. The 175 +P .45 Auto has recoil very similar to a regular 230 grain ball round. Id have to shoot them side by side to tell you a difference.

Shooting both 45 and 9mm I have noticed a very little accuracy loss, if any at all. Here is my Colt using the 175 +P at 20 yards.

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My department uses these lead free frangible Winchester rounds for indoor range work. The 175 +P .45 Auto has recoil very similar to a regular 230 grain ball round. Id have to shoot them side by side to tell you a difference.

Shooting both 45 and 9mm I have noticed a very little accuracy loss, if any at all. Here is my Colt using the 175 +P at 20 yards.

20200915_085332 by chase, on Flickr
Awesome gun. Awesome group. I would need a LOT of practice to get that good.
 
I sure want to say back when I shot bowling pins I shot a bullet that had more weight then 230, but for the life of me I can't remember who made it and where I bought it. It was pre internet so likely at the same place that held the events.

I know it was a softer load as I found that best to "push" the pins off the table.
 
I sure want to say back when I shot bowling pins I shot a bullet that had more weight then 230, but for the life of me I can't remember who made it and where I bought it. It was pre internet so likely at the same place that held the events.

I know it was a softer load as I found that best to "push" the pins off the table.
Now that is my kind of bowling! Sounds like "loads" of fun!
 
I recall the company I was getting a lot of ammo from had 180 grain .45 Colts that felt roughly like shooting .38 Specials (my recollection). They definitely were soft shooting and a lot of fun. I may have a couple boxes left.

I wanted to get his .45 ACP reduced recoil (still 230 grain) to try out but he closed down before I could order any.

I guess there is a reason so many folks do handloading.
 
fired a number of hard cast 185 SWC into things. honestly? the damage that fat ol meplat does in a gel block is as good as any HP I've seen. Does a number on varmints up to dog size and old car windshields too. With the new coated rounds. they can be driven right to the limits of the cartridge with no problems at all.

Friend recently upped the game by changing out the springs and the firing pin stop on his SR1911 for 45 super. you can get those 185s way up into 38 super/lower 357 velocities. I think he picked up some of those lehigh copper ones to really push the speeds.
 
Since you don't reload, you need to look up "low recoil 45ACP ammunition"
Ironically Buffalo Bore makes one:

185g 850fps. This gives an IPDA power factor of 157 compared to standard military ball ammo of about 190. This recoil is somewhere between 9mm and 40 S&W.

I used to load 230g bullets down to 600 fps and get 9mm recoil just for fun. These days if I want to 9mm recoil loads, I simply shoot my 9mm guns.
 
https://www.mattsbullets.com/160-Grain-Semi-Wadcutter-452_p_132.html

https://www.brazosprecision.com/45-160gr-Button-NoseFlat-BaseGroove-644ct-0088bullet_p_52.html

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Since you don't reload, you need to look up "low recoil 45ACP ammunition"
Ironically Buffalo Bore makes one:

185g 850fps. This gives an IPDA power factor of 157 compared to standard military ball ammo of about 190. This recoil is somewhere between 9mm and 40 S&W.
Fascinating, but at $2 a round, I am going to have to pass. The Winchester 185 grain .45 ACP I ordered came out to 56 cents a round including tax and shipping.
 
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