.45ACP with SMALL primer?

[DJW]

Last evening I was plodding along on my blue press preparing some .45 "target" loads and found it hard to prime a case. Thinking it was just a "crimped" case I tried to remove the crimp, no luck. On closer inspection I found the case was set up for a SMALL primer. The case was marked "win-nt" Is this a windows "NT" compatible case? Anyone else find any of these? Went through the entire coffee can and found 12 more like it. They had all been primed with silver colored primers before and I just didn't want to be slowed down by having to stop and lose concentration at the press. Is this just another sorting step for those of us who sometimes pick up "range brass?"
DJW

 

[roo_ster]

It is evil Winclean brass.

Evil.

Winclean.

Brass.

Did Imention it is evil?

 

[Edgeofthewoods]

Well it is compatable with service pack 5 or greater, but keep it away fom XP!. Now the Linux GUI interface will be out later this year so save your WIN NT brass!!!! :banghead:

 

[Ifishsum]

Is there anything else evil about winclean brass? Someone gave me some, either .38sp or .357 which uses small primers anyway. I can't see a difference but haven't loaded any yet due to another vague warning I saw somewhere. Is there something that would stop me from using it? Thanks

 

[bakert]

Read a post on another forum some time back that .45 ACP with small pistol primers is the coming thing. Dammit, as an old guy I hate changes like this!!

 

[BigSlick]

Win NT hasn't made the hardware abstraction list for my 550B yet either.

Suggested fix is to toss the junk and use a more robust product Service packs and hot fixes can allow functionality, but the developers need to design to the 45 ACP standard.

BigSlick

 

[DJW]

That is just the problem, I thought there was already a .45ACP standard. Guess I'll just have to be careful to pick up only my brass and no others......though that may prove problematic.
What's next, perhaps a government confiscation of private property for "better public use." Nah, couldn't happen here.
DJW

 

[The Bushmaster]

Save and load your Win-NT brass with small pistol primers or small pistol magnum primers and lighter loads. They work just as good as the regular stuff. And like Bakert, I, too don't like change, but it is inevitable and we must change with the times. (I'm saving my good brass for serious work and using Win-NT for range work).

 

[DJW]

Part of my point is that 1)it is hard to differentiate between large and small primed cases unless you actually sit down and sort thru the whole mess beforehand and 2)it is a real pain to get slowed down as you try to put a large primer in one of these buggers as you are loading "standard" .45 shells. Just why would anyone in their right mind pull a "change up" like this in a caliber that is "established" for so many years? It is a real pain in the butt for reloaders

 

[caz223]

N on- T oxic.
Yeah, those, and the goofy win clean super size flash holes.
If you had enough of them, and you shot a mid-range practice load, they would load fine.
It's been suggested that winchester may be switching to this style case for ALL their loads as early as this fall.
I'd save 'em, they may get real common in a year or two.

Or, you could make wax bullets with 'em. The flash holes is already drilled out, right?

 

[The Bushmaster]

DJW Get some glasses... If you can't see at a glance the size of the primer you are like me and need glasses. Now don't be so proud and quit reading the menu on the floor at restraunts. Get glasses.....

Like the man says (Caz223) save them cases. Just set them aside for a while. When you have a bunch, like me, load-em.

 

[Jim Watson]

It is hard to spot the diameter of the primer when you are getting ready to load several hundred rounds on a progressive. I am color coding my ammo. Since the small NT primers are nickel plated, I am loading .45 ACP with Winchester unplated primers. Anything I pick up that shows silver gets a second look. It might just be a range pickup with a plated large primer but it might be a NT to cull out.

A friend reported picking up some Federal NT with crimped small primers. Now there's a problem.

 

[caz223]

I heard that too.
They went to the larger flash holes because the non toxic primer produces more pressure, they went to smaller primers for the same reason, primers were backing out.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to see crimped-in primers on NT brass.

 

[Primersinmyshoe]

I inspect every case before it goes into the Dillon case feeder. I don't want any suprises. When I come across a WinNT case it gets tossed away, along with Amerc, S&B and any other headstamp I don't recognize. I get all my brass free from the local indoor range, so I come across a lot of different brands of brass.

Not only has Winchester thrown us reloaders a curve ball with that WinNT, they even have changed their regular 45acp brass. Below is a side by side comparison of the new brass (on left) and the old. The new brass seems to have tighter primer pockets.

 

[only1asterisk]

The new brass looks a bit like S&B.

David

 

[BluesBear]

That's because some WWB IS being subcontracted to S&B.

 

[The Bushmaster]

Jim Watson...I hate to be the first to tell you, but Win-NT also comes in unplated brass. In fact I haven't seen any plated ones yet. Of course we, on the west coast, are the last to see these new things.

 

[Jim Watson]

Bush,

I meant the primers themselves, I have seen no plated NT cases.

But my applecart was upset today; I found some Federal .45 NT and it has unplated primers. So much for my color coding scheme.

The Federal NT is even worse than Winchester. Their little primers are heavily crimped in, it would take processing to remove the crimp to get any use out of them, even if you were willing to go to the trouble.

Federal 9mm NT likewise.

 

[The Bushmaster]

Yup, Jim... I have seen a few of the federal cases (NT). I don't use Federal cases that much so it hasn't been a problem for me. Are they crimped in like military cases? The Win-NT cases can be loaded just as the regular or "old" cases. You do have a choice of mag or standard primers. Yes I know. We had the same choice with the "old" cases except now we have smaller primers with less power (I think) I have loaded some of the Win-NT cases with WSP primers and had no or seen no difference across the chrony. Personaly I wish they would leave well enough alone. That would suit me to a "T"... Damned Eco-freaks anyway. :banghead: