45long colt question

[ArchAngelCD]

That term's been in common use for a long time, "correct or not". (not being a jerk, just giving the facts)

Just because those 2 boxes from small companies and possible more have the wrong name on them doesn't make it correct. I was trying to help and then you decide to jump in and try to make me look bad. If that floats you boat I hope you enjoyed the ride...

 

[joneb]

That term's been in common use for a long time, "correct or not". (not being a jerk, just giving the facts)

I suppose the term Long Colt is no longer necessary ? but at one time it made more sense. I wonder if some day folks will be arguing what to call the 22 long rifle

 

[rondog]

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Originally Posted by rondog
That term's been in common use for a long time, "correct or not". (not being a jerk, just giving the facts)



Just because those 2 boxes from small companies and possible more have the wrong name on them doesn't make it correct. I was trying to help and then you decide to jump in and try to make me look bad. If that floats you boat I hope you enjoyed the ride...

No need to get all butt hurt, I was just pointing out that people have been calling it that for a long time. Personally, I'm on your side, I call it .45 Colt. Looked it up on Wikipedia, and that's what it's called there as well. But Wiki did mention this paragraph....

Alternate name - The designation ".45 Long Colt", sometimes abbreviated as ".45 LC", originated among military personnel to prevent confusion with the shorter-cased .45 Schofield which was also used in .45 Colt SAA revolvers by the US military. It has become a popular, yet improper, name for the cartridge.

I prefer .45 Colt, but I think it's important for people to know about the .45 "Long" Colt name, and realize that they're the same thing.

I also wonder how many people, when they hear .45 Colt or Colt .45, automatically think of the M1911 platform?

 

[joneb]

I suppose the term Long Colt is no longer necessary ?

My understanding is there was was never a 45 short Colt, so why was the long added ?
I guess in the day the word long was added as a slang term.
I know what folks mean if they say either and it doesn't bother me to have the word Long added.
A wise Gentleman told me, "Kid don't sweat the small stuff"

 

[.22-5-40]

Hello, m715. I am using the old Lyman 454190 bullet in my Turnbull- Colt S.A.A. My throats are right at .452" and thats what I size to. Best accuracy comes with start loads of Hodgdon Tightgroup, Unique and Solo 1000. TrailBoss loads grouped well also. This original design bullet has no crimp groove..crimping is done over start of ogive. Since these are light loads, a heavy crimp is not needed..which improves case life.

 

[USSR]

My understanding is there was was never a 45 short Colt, so why was the long added ?

Because in the late 1800's there were 2 commonly carried revolvers in gov't service; the Colt .45 SAA and the S&W .45 Schofield. Since the .45 Schofield cartridge could be fired in the .45 Colt SAA but not vice versa, the gov't standardized on the shorter cartridge for logistics purposes. So, you can just see someone with a .45 Colt SAA being given the shorter .45 Schofield cartridges and saying "No, I want the .45 Long Colt cartridges". Personally, I don't worry about semantics and have no problem referencing the cartridge in either manner.

Don

 

[CraigC]

That term's been in common use for a long time, "correct or not".

Doing it wrong for a long time does not make it any less wrong.

The "Long" was originally to differentiate it from the .45Gov't, not the .45S&W. I think that "Colt" and "S&W" are pretty distinctive. The .45Gov't was loaded by military arsenals with a Colt rim but S&W length for use in both Colt and S&W sixguns. No firearm was ever chambered in .45Gov't.

In later days, it has been necessary for some ignorant folk to differentiate it from the .45ACP. Because the term "Colt .45" is so vague and could mean one of several guns in two distinct chamberings.

It is and always has been ".45Colt".

 

[Walkalong]

It is surprising to me sometimes when folks ask what is the difference in .45 ACP and .45 Colt, but heck, there was a time we did not know either.

 

[Clark]

How often do I see ambiguously titled threads about the 460?
Is that a 460 Rowland which is a 45 acp even longer?
Or is that a 460 S&W which is a 454 Casull even longer?

Here are where the .451" and .452" bullets go:

45 GAP..............0.755" case
45 acp ..............0.898" case
45 Super............0.898" case
45 Auto Rim.......0.900" case
460 Rowland.......0.957" case
45 Win Mag........1.198" case
45 Colt..............1.285" case
454 Casull..........1.383" case
460 S&W............1.800" case

Here are where the .451" and .452" bullets might go, but may not be worth mentioning:

11 mm French ...... 0.710" case
451 Detonics.........0.942" case
11 mm German .....0.960" case
44-100 Maynard ... 2.880" case

And there are lots of other cartridges not worth mentioning with .454" bullets.
The wiki page and the SAAMI documents say "45 Colt" not "45 Long Colt", but my pages of personal load notes I often use "45LC".