"50 caliber terror" List of 50 cal used in crime

[SpeedAKL]

It should be noted that the press often uses ".50-caliber" interchangeably when doing an anti-gun hit. I've heard ".50-caliber weapons" refer to a handguns and muzzleloaders as well as the .50BMG.

The VPC is so childish it's almost comical. That list was totally ridiculous.

 

[woo18]

I have never really been interested in shooting 50 cal rifles, but all this fuss kind of makes me want to buy a 50.

 

[jerkyman45]

Didn't the US Navy in WW2 state that their quad .50 turrets (4 M2HBs mounted on a turret) were proving ineffective at stopping lightly armored Japanese fighters? That is four belt fed fully automatic machine guns firing armor piercing rounds. The most powerful .50 BMG rifle one can own today is a semi-auto Barrett M82A1 with a ten round magazine, which, according to the anti-gunners, can somehow take out a commercial jet airliner with at least two engines that has more safety features then I have fingers and toes. Something just seems inherently wrong with that entire argument.

 

[Robert Hairless]

What nobody else seems to realize is the significance of the fact that the Violence Policy Center is staffed entirely by men and women.

Give it some thought, study the statistics with great care, and do your research on who commits violent crimes throughout the world. You will see that all evidence points to both men and women as the perpetrators. That is absolutely true.

So isn't it obvious that the Violence Policy Center is staffed exclusively by potentially violent people? These are the very same kinds of people who murder other people. How can you treat seriously anything they say?

 

[Davo]

I always get a kick out of no bullet drop in America's army. It's one of the most realistic fps games out there yet they refuse to factor in bullet drop or the velocity.

Im playing as we speak...when I get KIA I read on here till the next round....
(still cant get my sniper rating though)

 

[Papaster]

people (Libs) are scared of the 50 BMG for the same reason we were scared of satellites in the 1950's. Sputnik soared mysteriously above our skies, obviously marking impending doom for the free western world, and satellites were by definition an evil thing, unless of course they were the ones eventually added by our own US military. Now satellites privately owned or otherwise are rarely given a second thought. But obviously something so malicious in design as the 50 caliber rifle must only be a tool of the terrorists... No way it could ever be beneficial for the common man to have them and control them...

 

[sm]

<wittle boy mode>

Dear Sarah Brady,

*sniff*
Smokey Bear said "Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires", and he didn't say nufing about no 50 calibers.
*sniff*
It is already bad enough there really is no Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny , Fat Guy in Red Suit or Great Pumpkin.

Pwease don't tell me Smoky Lied too!

*sniff*


'teve

</mode>

 

[woodybrighton]

even in the UK you can still own a .50 cal rifle. although the home office wanted them banned cause of the terrorist threat. the police who not exactly overly keen on civillian weapons pointed out there large bulky rifles unattractive to criminals not exactly going to do a drive by with one are you?
with out antimaterial ammo there terrorist use is at best minimal

 

[George Hill]

I'm not aware of any case where someone shot someone else with a .50BMG that was outside of military action.
Maybe there is - I just don't know about it.
Well, there was Willy who shot himself in the head with his .50, but he's okay now. Actually he just went to the crossroads of the west gunshow... was supposed to have picked me up some aquilla ammo.

 

[Timthinker]

Honestly, I can not think of a round that has inflicted less civilian injuries in the United States than the .50 centerfire cartridge. The rifles firing this round are expensive, bulky and unconcealable for all practical purposes. While the .50 may remain an object of near veneration in some quarters, its criminal history here seems difficult to find.

If anti-aircraft capabilities are a major concern, then consider the following information. Both the Allied and Axis powers in World War 2 used .30ish caliber machine guns on their planes during that war. So, should we ban the .30-06, the .303 and the 7.92x57mm rounds because of their anti-aircraft potential? I never recall anyone recommending a ban on .30ish caliber rifle rounds because of this potential.


Timthinker

 

[Cold_B]

There was an episode of The First 48 where someone committed a murder with a DE in .50AE. But of course it was easy to track them down since not to many criminals have one. If they had used a 9mm they might still be free.

 

[Titan6]

I am with George. I can give hundreds of thousands of examples of people being killed with .50cal but they are all examples of governments killing their own citizens or citizens of another country.

Maybe we should just ban the government from owning .50cals?

 

[bluestarlizzard]

"Maybe we should just ban the government from owning .50cals?"

+1, hahaha

 

[TheGunGuru]

Quote-on-quote gun experts in DC and states like Calif. and NY are making amazing claims of how .50 BMGs are so dangerous blaaa blaaa blaaa. As far as I am aware, and most others in this thread, no one else is positive about it, no one has been killed by a 50 BMG out side of a war zone.

Law makers are going nuts because a 50BMG sniper rifle looks scary as hell and therefor needs to be banned. The problem with that reasoning is they are way to big, heavy and hard to shoot if untrained. Those facts keep them out of the hands of the common gang banger or criminal. The only criminal market for a BMG is a trained hit man....who will have the resources and skill to use one even if they are illegal in the USA.

Laws to ban such rifles only hurt the little guy who kills lots of paper targets at local ranges and ranch land.

 

[Titan6]

Laws to ban such rifles only hurt the little guy who kills lots of paper targets at local ranges and ranch land.

No they hurt everyone. Even those who don't want one.

 

[learn2shoot]

Ok... so they were able to find 22 instances where a .50 cal was involved to varying degree or another to some form of misbehaving to some degree or another.

That seems like a pretty safe track record to me. What was their point again?

 

[Titan6]

Ok... so they were able to find 22 instances where a .50 cal was involved to varying degree or another to some form of misbehaving to some degree or another.

I am thinkng more and more that everyone should have one. It is clearly the world's safest firearm (unless you are a government).

This is the same logic I use when stating everyone should have a motorcycle. Think about it, other than drunken bike weeks when do you ever hear of two motorcycles crashing into each other?

 

[Tosi]

I think we all know the real reason the want to ban them. It's because it gives intelligent freedom loving citizens a weapon that would help give us a small fighting chance against a tryranical government, and they dont like to think that we the people should have anything as powerful as that. Plus barretts looks scary to them.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

There's a new America's Army coming out in a few weeks. I played the demo on X-Box Live!, and I think they did indeed include bullet drop this time.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

If anti-aircraft capabilities are a major concern, then consider the following information. Both the Allied and Axis powers in World War 2 used .30ish caliber machine guns on their planes during that war. So, should we ban the .30-06, the .303 and the 7.92x57mm rounds because of their anti-aircraft potential? I never recall anyone recommending a ban on .30ish caliber rifle rounds because of this potential

That's not the right question to ask the antis. Don't give them more of an opening to ban more things.

A better question would be; If a WWII fighter plane could survive multiple 50cal shots, why do you think a modern passenger jet can't survive one?

 

[SoCalShooter]

On April 28, 1995, Albert Petrosky walked into an Albertson's grocery store in suburban Denver, Colorado, and gunned down his estranged wife and the store manager. Armed with an L.A.R. Grizzly 50 caliber sniper rifle, an SKS Chinese semiautomatic assault rifle, a .32 revolver, and a 9mm semiautomatic pistol, Petrosky then walked out into the shopping center parking lot, where he exchanged fire with a federal IRS agent and killed Sgt. Timothy Mossbrucker of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department. Petrosky, who was known to his friends as "50-cal Al," fired all four weapons, including the 50 caliber rifle, during his murderous rampage. ("Authorities Investigate Gun Sale: Rifle Used in Albertson's Slayings Wasn't Illegal," Rocky Mountain News, May 1, 1995)


Branch Davidian cult members at a compound in Waco, Texas, fired 50 caliber sniper rifles at federal ATF agents during their initial gun battle on February 28, 1993. The weapons' ability to penetrate tactical vehicles prompted the agency to request military armored vehicles to give agents adequate protection from the 50 caliber rifles and other more powerful weapons the Branch Davidians might have had. Four ATF agents were killed. ("Weaponry: .50 Caliber Rifle Crime," GAO Office of Special Investigations letter, August 4, 1999)


On February 27, 1992, a Wells Fargo armored delivery truck was attacked in a "military style operation" in Chamblee, Georgia, by several men using a smoke grenade and a Barrett 50 caliber sniper rifle. Two employees were wounded. ("Two Armored Truck Guards Shot," The Atlanta Journal Constitution, February 27, 1992)

I fail to see how a barret 50 was used in an armored car heist it does not explain how the weapon was used.

the only one I can see there that is anywhere near probably legit is the WACO one and well honestly the ATF fubar'd that one so bad I doubt its legitimate.