7.62 Yahweh cartridge, is anyone familiar with it?

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Hmmm…an additional 500 FPS and a bullet 24 grains heavier than the 7.62x39 cartridge and no mention of the quality of steel of the steel plate or what was done to the rifle to survive such a pounding.
If it fires standard 7.62x39 like normal then the magical Yahweh round with all the extra power and recoil must also heal the rifle as it exits the barrel.

Their website doesn’t have much technical data regarding the round itself.

Screenshot from the website above (I can say that my opinion so far is NOT very good)

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This screenshot is quite special.
 
As much taper as this case has a few thousands head space and it's loose. Very good for auto. And autoloader. Bolt action man can adapt. If you need more than 2300-2500 fps with a 125 then go bigger. Serves no purpose. When my sizing gets close on my mini ammo my groups get smaller but you need your ducks in a row to mess with that and garand ammo. Always have a bolt gun to help with testing. When your bolt gun shoots your ammo just fine your closing in. Project next in line is my new 6mm ARC barrel for the pro hunter. If I need that to be bigger I'll shoot the Russian round.
 
It’s just 7.62x39 ackely improved.

He's doing more than that... He's claiming 500fps increase, accomplishing that by (for some strange reason) cutting a compound shoulder angle, rather than simply using the same neck/shoulder junction as the headspace reference as PO Ackley did to achieve the same goal, but most importantly, he's increasing operating pressure by 7,000psi. So he definitely isn't improving brass life with this plan - he'll be stretching case heads a lot faster with that higher pressure than any saving it might gain by less trimming.

So really, a guy willing to exceed SAAMI pressure standard by the logical interpolation that the AR-15 can withstand the bolt thrust of 52kpsi with the same case head when using 6.5 Grendel or 6 ARC (fair assumption, in my book), then if we believe the extra 500fps is attainable, then it's fair to expect we'd gain 350-400fps of the gain he's claiming simply by adding powder, changing powder, and running that higher operating pressure... Blowing the taper on a 7.62x39 case to a straight cylinder would increase the case capacity by 3.4grn H2O, a 9.5% internal capacity increase - extrapolating from Hodgdon, Hornady, and Nosler load data, commensurately increasing powder charge by 10% (which is NOT how we scale powder charge for improved rifle cases) would only yield ~150-200fps increase... I'd hesitate to believe that we'd actually get a 9.5% internal capacity gain with any feasible case design (aka, wouldn't blow out a straight cylider, we'd leave at least 10 thou taper, which only gives 7% increase), but it's really that increase in pressure which is doing the lion's share of the performance gain.

Ultimately, his cartridge shows 1) ANYONE with a 7.62x39 AR-15 can load 350fps faster than factory ammo by loading to known safe 52kpsi limit instead of throttling to 45kpsi SAAMI standard, and 2) Improving a cartridge by blowing out body taper and shoulder angle can add another 150fps... Not really Earth shattering news there...

I'll admit, I COULD be convinced it is wise to blow out the shoulder on a high pressure version of a cartridge so it can't be chambered into a weaker rifle design - such as adding a belt to 450 Marlin to preclude its use in Trapdoor 45-70's, but it would be more honest to describe that as the reason for blowing out, rather than trying to claim blowing out the compound angle shoulder as the reason for the 500fps gain.

When he describes the pigtail gas tube as increasing dwell time, I couldn't help but hope viewers understand this is absolute nonsense... Then he describes how an adjustable gas block operates, and states flipping the switch allows shooting the standard 45kpsi 7.62x39 ammo vs. shooting the 52kpsi wildcat... But then immediately his cohort asks, so you just flip the switch to shoot the rounds (repeating what he'd just said), and he flips his response and says, "no, you just flip that for shooting suppressors or not."... dingus...

The absolute nonsense of him shooting rapid fire and nearly falling over at 2:00 in his video, with his doofy hat on crooked just seals the deal for me. Even if the idea really did what it claims, I'd order a reamer and dies to make a straight 7.62x39 Improved, no silly compound angle, rename my version the "7.62 Notadumbass" and not send a penny to this dingus.
 
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Hmmm…an additional 500 FPS and a bullet 24 grains heavier than the 7.62x39 cartridge and no mention of the quality of steel of the steel plate or what was done to the rifle to survive such a pounding.
If it fires standard 7.62x39 like normal then the magical Yahweh round with all the extra power and recoil must also heal the rifle as it exits the barrel.

Their website doesn’t have much technical data regarding the round itself.

Screenshot from the website above (I can say that my opinion so far is NOT very good)

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This screenshot is quite special.

Nah, don't blame these guys for inventing the pigtail, at least not just for this cartridge. Maybe they did invent it, but pigtail gas tubes are old news - I remember seeing these and even bought several of them as long as 20-25yrs ago, and I'm absolutely certain that I wasn't buying the first ones ever available on the market. Back when AGB's weren't really available on the market.

I'm not saying pigtail gas tubes are a good idea, but just that they're an independently bad idea which isn't inherent to the Yahweh cartridge dumbassery. Odds are, this dingus fell for the half-science idea of the pigtail gas tube (and his video does describe that he doesn't actually understand what's going on), and decided it would be integral to his high pressure system...

But what that really does make me wonder - I'm betting he's buying 7.62x39mm barrels and finish reaming the chambers, so they'd all have the wrong gas port size for the higher pressure round. It's really pretty simple to order a barrel with an appropriate port size and circumvent any dumbassery which might lead someone to think they might need a pigtail gas tube, and it's really simple to recognize that an AGB can help accommodate highly variable port pressures such as shooting 45kpsi factory ammo and higher pressure 52kpsi handloads.
 
He's doing more than that... He's claiming 500fps increase, accomplishing that by (for some strange reason) cutting a compound shoulder angle, rather than simply using the same neck/shoulder junction as the headspace reference as PO Ackley did to achieve the same goal, but most importantly, he's increasing operating pressure by 7,000psi. So he definitely isn't improving brass life with this plan - he'll be stretching case heads a lot faster with that higher pressure than any saving it might gain by less trimming.

So really, a guy willing to exceed SAAMI pressure standard by the logical interpolation that the AR-15 can withstand the bolt thrust of 52kpsi with the same case head when using 6.5 Grendel or 6 ARC (fair assumption, in my book), then if we believe the extra 500fps is attainable, then it's fair to expect we'd gain 350-400fps of the gain he's claiming simply by adding powder, changing powder, and running that higher operating pressure... Blowing the taper on a 7.62x39 case to a straight cylinder would increase the case capacity by 3.4grn H2O, a 9.5% internal capacity increase - extrapolating from Hodgdon, Hornady, and Nosler load data, commensurately increasing powder charge by 10% (which is NOT how we scale powder charge for improved rifle cases) would only yield ~150-200fps increase... I'd hesitate to believe that we'd actually get a 9.5% internal capacity gain with any feasible case design (aka, wouldn't blow out a straight cylider, we'd leave at least 10 thou taper, which only gives 7% increase), but it's really that increase in pressure which is doing the lion's share of the performance gain.

Ultimately, his cartridge shows 1) ANYONE with a 7.62x39 AR-15 can load 350fps faster than factory ammo by loading to known safe 52kpsi limit instead of throttling to 45kpsi SAAMI standard, and 2) Improving a cartridge by blowing out body taper and shoulder angle can add another 150fps... Not really Earth shattering news there...

I'll admit, I COULD be convinced it is wise to blow out the shoulder on a high pressure version of a cartridge so it can't be chambered into a weaker rifle design - such as adding a belt to 450 Marlin to preclude its use in Trapdoor 45-70's, but it would be more honest to describe that as the reason for blowing out, rather than trying to claim blowing out the compound angle shoulder as the reason for the 500fps gain.

When he describes the pigtail gas tube as increasing dwell time, I couldn't help but hope viewers understand this is absolute nonsense... Then he describes how an adjustable gas block operates, and states flipping the switch allows shooting the standard 45kpsi 7.62x39 ammo vs. shooting the 52kpsi wildcat... But then immediately his cohort asks, so you just flip the switch to shoot the rounds (repeating what he'd just said), and he flips his response and says, "no, you just flip that for shooting suppressors or not."... dingus...

The absolute nonsense of him shooting rapid fire and nearly falling over at 2:00 in his video, with his doofy hat on crooked just seals the deal for me. Even if the idea really did what it claims, I'd order a reamer and dies to make a straight 7.62x39 Improved, no silly compound angle, rename my version the "7.62 Notadumbass" and not send a penny to this dingus.

Don't think for a second I'm falling for the marketing crap. For what reason he thinks that the compound shoulder angle and pigtail gas tube is necessary I can only wonder. The compound shoulder deal probably head spaces in a semi auto with a little more forgiveness than doing a true ackley shoulder, but seams a solution to a non existent problem to me. We can already improve on factory x39 by several hundred FPS even staying with 45k psi as the factory american stuff is incredibly anemic. I've shot some of it over my chrono at 2200 fps whereas the book max load from hodgdon for CFE BLK is 2550 for a 125, which I have confirmed is accurate. Actually the current load from hodgdon is slightly lower than when originally published. The original number published was like a grain higher load and 2600 fps. So to get to 2700 should be easily achievable at safe pressures, which would be 500 fps gain, but that is only because he is comparing his horse to one that started the race with a bum leg.
 
We can already improve on factory x39 by several hundred FPS even staying with 45k psi as the factory american stuff is incredibly anemic.

Yeah, I was HOPING he based the 500fps gain on 45kpsi load data, not on underpowered factory ammo. He doesn't state in the video, but his website states 2850-2917fps with 125grn bullets - also claiming this is only 45kpsi... I'm fairly certain that's just not real...
 
Yeah, I was HOPING he based the 500fps gain on 45kpsi load data, not on underpowered factory ammo. He doesn't state in the video, but his website states 2850-2917fps with 125grn bullets - also claiming this is only 45kpsi... I'm fairly certain that's just not real...

certainly not from a 16" barrel and I doubt it could be done at any barrel length at 52k
 
Running a standard X39 in quickload with a 125gr and 16" barrel at 45,000 psi I get a max velocity of 2405 FPS with RL10x. Again in the real world we know CFE BLK will eclipse that quite easily, but quickload does not give good predictions for CFE BLK in my experience.

If we give a 3 grain case capacity bump, change the weighting factor from .6 to .4 because of the shoulder angle, and bump the pressure to 52,000 psi, I get a fastest predicted load of 2626 fps. Based on experience loading it, I would bet that CFE BLK would do probably 2700 safely. You can actually get about a grain and a half bump in capacity by just handloading steel cases, which I have done. I have gotten to like 2650 from a 16" with compressed loads of CFE BLK. (not recommending this, just passing it along)

In order to top 2900 fps with a 125 grain in quickload at 52k I need to go to a 27" barrel.
 
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I generally don’t pay marketing talk about any cartridge any mind and this is certainly no different. I do still think if you just want another 100-150 fps and better brass life out of your X39 this is probably a nice chambering assuming he didn’t do anything stupid with the throating. If he is renting a reamer I’d give it a try. I’m just going to call it something else. Yes you can just get a 308 but some of us enjoy being stupid and we like the lil X39 case.
 
I generally don’t pay marketing talk about any cartridge any mind and this is certainly no different. I do still think if you just want another 100-150 fps and better brass life out of your X39 this is probably a nice chambering assuming he didn’t do anything stupid with the throating. If he is renting a reamer I’d give it a try. I’m just going to call it something else. Yes you can just get a 308 but some of us enjoy being stupid and we like the lil X39 case.

I’d just spec it as a 10 thou taper with a 30degree shoulder and party on.
 
I’d just spec it as a 10 thou taper with a 30degree shoulder and party on.

I could certainly draw one but paying for my own reamer and a custom sizing die is more money than I’m willing to invest in the endeavor. CH4 might already have one, I haven’t looked.
 
Standard brass (PPU and Starline) 7.62x39 brass loaded with a standard 123/125gr .310 bullet and CFE BLK will do all I or 99% of other people will ever ask of it. No need for special mumbo jumbo marketing junk.

If you want a 125gr bullet in .30 caliber to go faster than 2400-2500 fps in a semi auto then you gotta go to either .308 Win for a big big step up, OR go with several other wildcats based off different cases entirely. 30 American, 30 GPC, 30 Rem AR, 30 Sabercat come to mind.
 
A 7.62x39 with two shoulder angles, loaded to much higher pressure.

7.62 Yahweh info

I’m the inventor of the 7.62 Yahweh cartridge and I named it that because God gave me the idea so out of honor and respect I put his name on it. The cartridge does exist and it amazes me that someone who has never seen it in person touched it held it shot it looked at the primer measured the case head strain guaged it or had it piezoelectric tested by HP White laboratory would show that kind of ignorance. We sell the reloading size die for the Yahweh and then all you need is a set of Lee 7.62x39 dies and you’re ready to load for it. In response to the inquiry about can it be used in a SKS or a AK 47 The answer is no due to shoulder diameter and overall length, however it can be used in a bolt action rifle and if you are interested I would be happy to help you out with a gun smith in my area and I would charge you 20 dollars for the use of the reamer. I would suggest that you use a.308 diameter with a 1-8 twist so you can use all the.308 bullets and still shoot the 7.62x39 and the subsonics but that is up to you. The pressure level for the Yahweh is 52,000 lbs the same as the Grendel. To the guy who thinks that more pressure will equate to more velocity you are mistaken it can create less velocity depending upon the pressure curve because the velocity comes from the area under the pressure curve so you can have more pressure and a high spike and have less velocity, I had to learn that also. I have 8 years in development and load listings for 110 gr 125 gr 135gr 150gr 155gr and the Sub- X 255 grain subsonic bullet. The cartridge has a 17.30 degree shoulder angle that transitions to the 30 degree angle and what this does is to head space the 7.62x39 and align it perfectly and upon firing it fire forms and has about 30,000 lbs pressure but due to the efficiency of the 30 degree shoulder angle it still gets the same velocity as a normal 7.62x39. P.O. Ackley just smashed the shoulder into the chamber and fire formed it that way, proper head spacing is better. I do appreciate the constructive criticism about seeing the cartridge case that was not intentional and I am going to be posting on the website a diagram of the 7.62x39 case drawn inside of the Yahweh case so you can see the difference and know how we get the additional 5-8 grains of powder. The parent case was the 6 mm PPC case. The double wrap gas tube is absolutely necessary due to the vast difference in pressure it gives it the dwell time so that the bolt doesn’t open up under pressure so instead of spouting off maybe watching the explanation on the video and asking questions would be wizer. If you have questions you can ask them on the website.
 
I’m the inventor of the 7.62 Yahweh cartridge and I named it that because God gave me the idea so out of honor and respect I put his name on it. The cartridge does exist and it amazes me that someone who has never seen it in person touched it held it shot it looked at the primer measured the case head strain guaged it or had it piezoelectric tested by HP White laboratory would show that kind of ignorance. We sell the reloading size die for the Yahweh and then all you need is a set of Lee 7.62x39 dies and you’re ready to load for it. In response to the inquiry about can it be used in a SKS or a AK 47 The answer is no due to shoulder diameter and overall length, however it can be used in a bolt action rifle and if you are interested I would be happy to help you out with a gun smith in my area and I would charge you 20 dollars for the use of the reamer. I would suggest that you use a.308 diameter with a 1-8 twist so you can use all the.308 bullets and still shoot the 7.62x39 and the subsonics but that is up to you. The pressure level for the Yahweh is 52,000 lbs the same as the Grendel. To the guy who thinks that more pressure will equate to more velocity you are mistaken it can create less velocity depending upon the pressure curve because the velocity comes from the area under the pressure curve so you can have more pressure and a high spike and have less velocity, I had to learn that also. I have 8 years in development and load listings for 110 gr 125 gr 135gr 150gr 155gr and the Sub- X 255 grain subsonic bullet. The cartridge has a 17.30 degree shoulder angle that transitions to the 30 degree angle and what this does is to head space the 7.62x39 and align it perfectly and upon firing it fire forms and has about 30,000 lbs pressure but due to the efficiency of the 30 degree shoulder angle it still gets the same velocity as a normal 7.62x39. P.O. Ackley just smashed the shoulder into the chamber and fire formed it that way, proper head spacing is better. I do appreciate the constructive criticism about seeing the cartridge case that was not intentional and I am going to be posting on the website a diagram of the 7.62x39 case drawn inside of the Yahweh case so you can see the difference and know how we get the additional 5-8 grains of powder. The parent case was the 6 mm PPC case. The double wrap gas tube is absolutely necessary due to the vast difference in pressure it gives it the dwell time so that the bolt doesn’t open up under pressure so instead of spouting off maybe watching the explanation on the video and asking questions would be wizer. If you have questions you can ask them on the website.

We watched it. I can’t express how absolutely ecstatic I am to have you here. This is going to be hilarious.
 
I'm sure you meant, throw yourself out! 🤣
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You lost me at more pressure doesn't equate to more velocity.....so did God allow you to defy physics too?
the area under the pressure curve line is what translates to the velocity not the amount of pressure if you don’t understand then go look it up or talk to the person who sells the strain gauge and he can help explain what you can’t understand because he knows a lot more about it than you and hopefully you can get an education
 
This… this is comedy gold. To touch briefly on it… suppose that YHWH did indeed give you such an idea… ‘tis no different than any other idea that mankind has churned out thru the expanse of time- He does not impart such an idea to you; but merely the ability and capacity for such- similar to sin. Such acts of sin are not attributable to His glory; but to our free will and willful rebellion against His majesty.

Admiration is due for your willingness to attribute to His glory… but leave The Most High’s name out of your abomination of a cartridge and acts thereof.
 
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I wouldnt mind a clearer explanation of how the cartridge design generates the added velocity.

I do understand the concept of a longer, flatter, pressure curve transferring my energy to the projectile at the same peak pressure.

How does the cartridge design promote that flatter curve (longer time under higher pressure).

Also how does the twisty gas tube benefit operation? Your not reducing port pressure like moving it down the barrel (towards the other end of your now extended pressure curve), but also compensating with an agb.

Ill admit honest curiosity, ive got no back ground in this stuff outside of what ive experienced.
 
More time under the pressure curve increases dwell time, which I see you've addressed or at least tried to with the pigtail "gas tubs" spelling is direct from your website, and the AGB. but to a benefit wouldn't that also require a longer barrel?

I'm no cartridge designer and I'm no physicist, but I do know velocity isn't free, and efficient cartridge design does help but reality is pressure is required to increase velocity. And adding 5gr more powder and keeping pressure the same is not and will not gain 400-500fps from the same length barrel, regardless of whatever fancy cartridge design you come up with.
 
"Area under the pressure curve" is getting into integral calculus. It graphs as pounds force per square inch vs time in milliseconds. So what is the unit for that "area?" I am too far from my math classes to figure it out.

I figure that the power of a given cartridge is maximized by using a powder for which a case full generates the maximum permissible pressure. More volume, more pressure, more fpe. Homer Powley did a lot of work on that, culminating in the slide rule Powley Computer and Powley PSI Computer. Now, of course, we have Quickload which does it digitally except when you have to make excuses for things like CFE BLK.

There have been a lot of claims made for effects of case shape. I remember when the short fat 6mm PPC - to which the OP refers - took over from the .222 Remington family. Ackley liked the straight wall and said it increased velocity above and beyond the greater volume, but his data shows evidence of simply heavier loads and higher pressures. Weatherby has the round shoulder, there was the Venturi Shoulder, and there was the Herters double shoulder. Yay. Maybe the OP's double dip shoulder eases fire forming, but I doubt it supercharges the velocity.

Fire forming? Not me, I don't want an AR throwing my trick brass in the weeds. Maybe for a single shot.
 
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