7.62x25mm: Anything besides Tokareve and CZ-52?

[Penman]

Colt supposedly made some .30 Luger Commanders many years ago.

 

[tex_n_cal]

Yep, I have heard Colt did make some .30 Luger Commanders, I think for an overseas police market(Italy?). I traded e-mail with one guy a fewmonths ago, but he wasn't willing to sell the barrel.

Browning has made Hi-Powers in .30 Luger - Ruger also made a few dual caliber.30 Luger/9mm P89's a few years ago, which came with extra barrels.

 

[Cthulhu]

Unfortunately, as mentioned earlier, the .30 Mauser/7.62x25 conversion for an existing 1911 pattern pistol just isn't feasible due to the longer overall length. Its significantly longer than the 10mm, .38Super/9x23 or any other round chambered in standard 1911 pistol. Those Chinese .30 Mauser pistols were hack jobs at best, and are highly questionable. Loading the rounds shorter to fit a conventional OAL isn't a great idea. Doing so reduces the internal volume of the case, raising pressures dramatically. Then the rounds must be loaded down, reducing the performance that we are struggling to achieve and preventing the use of inexpensive surplus ammunition.
Making a 1911 to fit the required dimensions for 7.62x25 is not impossible, but it would be anextremely expensive one-off custom job. An enhanced Tokarev design would be equally expensive. I wouldn't mind an EAA Witness/CZ type but OAL is even more of a problem with the 9mm sized chassis. Anyone who wishes to put up the cash and nag someone to make him one would undoubtedly earn the appreciation of a legion of 7.62x25 fans.

 

[DMK]

I'd like to see some other guns chambered for this round too. Like a match grade 1911... because I suspect this round has much greater accuracy potential than has ever been realized. Especially with properly made ammuntion and not just surplus.

I agree. We need something more accurate and ergonmic than the TT-33 or CZ-52. This round shoots flat!

I was watching my brother shoot a CZ-52 last month. He was shooting at the 25 yard line, but I noticed that the rounds were continuing though the target and hitting the berm at 100yards right at about the same height! I even got down low and looked out there with the binoculars as they were hitting.

Man, it you could get a nice comfy pistol with a scope, you could do wonders at long range.

Hmmm, perhaps a 7.26x25 Contender barrel?

 

[WonderNine]

The reason I'm interested in the 7.62X25 is because it's slender so you can fit alot in a double stack mag and for CCW against goblins with light body armor. Also I just like flat shooting rounds.

 

[George Hill]

Cthulhu, you do speak the truth, Sir. However, I would turn your attention to the 1911 style frames used in the LAR Grizzly. If you can load .357 Magnum rounds into one, I am sure you can do X25 with no problems. X25 isnt that much longer than 10MM... it can be done, and done in a manner that wouldn't be too unweildy.

Thinking about this further, I think the ideal platform for such a gun... it is not the 1911. That was an oversight making that suggestion. The proper platform needs to be a gun that has an already outstanding level of accuracy... and to me, that means the CZ-97B. The 97 that I owned was the most accurate handgun that I had ever owned or even fired. Period. Building a 7.62X25 from a 97 would yeild a handgun capable of accuracy that would be just unbelievable.
Given the flat shooting balistics of the round, matched with such as accurate platform... You would be sweeping those long range steel rams like silly... you might be punching holes in them too... *oops*

 

[WonderNine]

George, you're making me want a 97B more and more all the time.

Everytime you post about it in fact.

May have to wait until 12 round mags are cheap again though...

 

[George Hill]

It uses the same mags as the Witness... Good and plenty... and cheap.

15 meters, 3 shots, 1 .45 caliber hole... offhand.

Did I mention how accurate it was?