LUCKYDAWG13
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have the next couple of days off work so going to be reloading some 9mm up just wondering what your pet load is I will be loading up 3.8 gr of RedDot under a 124 gr bullet
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Charlie98
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I've been trying to get rid of 2# of TiteGroup that I bought during the Big Scare some years ago, I found the best way to do it is in the 9mm... I had some RedDot from that time period as well, I burnt that up in the .45ACP, where it did quite well.
Zendude
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I was pleasantly surprised when I had to use up some Red Dot last year. It performs like Bullseye but cleaner and less leakage in the AutoDisk.
rfwobbly
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Sport Pistol is excellent in 9mm. Metering, accuracy, economy... it's all there.
tightgroup tiger
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LUCKYDAWG13
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I'm not looking for a new load just wondering what others are using
RikSors
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I’ve been using 4.8gr unique for the past 10+ years. All around load. It’s only with the onset of micro-compact pistols that I’ve been getting unburnt powder residues.
LiveLife
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I transitioned from Red Dot to Promo and now treat them almost same (by weight) like W231/HP-38. And after Alliant rebleneded it, Promo meters much better with more consistent performance than Red Dot, especially for carbine loads - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...blended-promo-for-more-accurate-loads.841097/
I use Promo with Red Dot load data by weight and here's Speer's current load data - https://www.speer-ammo.com/download...gun/9mm_caliber_355-366_dia/9mm_Luger_125.pdf
- 125 gr Lead RN Red Dot OAL 1.130" Start 3.3 gr (888 fps) - Max 3.6 gr (1004 fps)
- 95 gr FMJ Red Dot COL 1.055" Max 5.3 gr (1285 fps) 32,100 PSI
- 115 gr FMJ Red Dot COL 1.120" Max 4.5 gr (1150 fps) 32,600 PSI
- 125 gr Lead Red Dot COL 1.150" Max 4.5 gr (1145 fps) 32,000 PSI
- 125 gr FMJ Red Dot COL 1.150" Max 4.6 gr (1145 fps) 33.000 PSI
- 147 gr XTP Red Dot COL 1.140" Max 3.4 gr (895 fps) 32,400 PSI
Depending on bullet type, 3.8 gr Red Dot sounds about right. If using lead/coated with larger sizing, consider 3.6 gr.
For 147 gr Z-Cast Lead FP, I load to 1.160" with 3.3-3.5 gr of Promo - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-for-147g-9mm-subsonics.824456/#post-10607922
For 124 gr Z-Cast Lead RN with more pointed "stepped" nose, I load to 1.125" OAL with 4.0 gr of Promo which I used as reference load for this thread (Note that Speer load data lists lower 3.3/3.6 gr for 1.130" so I suggest testing 3.6 gr first) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/9mm-and-herco-for-jacketed-lead-plated-bullets.745656/
For 124 gr FMJ/plated RN, I load to 1.135" with 3.8 - 4.0 gr of Promo
For 115 gr FMJ/plated RN, I load to 1.130" with 4.0-4.2 gr (Target load) or 4.2-4.4 gr of Promo (Factory white box like load. Almost 100% case fill load) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...for-more-accurate-loads.841097/#post-10919894
For 115 gr FMJ FP Match Winner, I load to 1.045" with 4.2 gr of Promo (Almost 100% case fill load) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...endence-from-work.853305/page-4#post-11219888
For 100 gr Thick Plated RN, I load to 1.050" with 4.5-4.7 gr of Promo (100% case fill load) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...n-9mm-40s-w-45acp.799231/page-3#post-10245856
For 95 gr FMJ RN, I load to 1.055" with 5.0 gr of Promo (100% case fill load) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...endence-from-work.853305/page-4#post-11387109
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sparkyv
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5.5gr Longshot over 122gr coated FP NLG made by CASTMACHINE over at Castboolits. Very fun and inexpensive load, performs well in all my 9mms.
LiveLife
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If you liked Red Dot in Pro Auto Disk, wait until you try Promo.
Charlie98
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That's what I'm hoping. Once I burn up all that TiteGroup, which seems to last forever, I've got both SportPistol and W244 to fool with in the 9mm.
LiveLife has me second-guessing RedDot/Promo, now. It worked pretty well with my 200grn .45ACP loads (and even 230grn,) but I don't think I tried it in 9mm.
Average Joe
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I use 4.0 grains of Red Dot /Promo under a 124 grain FMJ. Been my pet load for years.
Charlie98
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RikSors
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Promo powder looks promising. Less volume and at a cheaper price. Wouldn’t mind checking this out.
The reason why I haven’t strayed away from Unique is because it’s so common that it’s always on the shelf at any store on good days (unless, of course, there’s a scare).
The reason why I haven’t strayed away from Unique is because it’s so common that it’s always on the shelf at any store on good days (unless, of course, there’s a scare).
LiveLife
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200 gr SWC with 4.0 gr of Promo is a great light recoiling load that shoots accurate in my Sig 1911. With softer 14-16 BHN Z-Cast or 12 BHN MBC (Bullseye #1), expands bullet base sufficiently to shoot accurate in my oversized barrel PT145 SA/DA with felt recoil that is pleasant. Below groups with MBC 200 gr SWC (Bullseye #1) and Sig 1911 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...omo-reloading-range-test.578444/#post-9415802
Definitely try it in 9mm, especially if you have a blowback carbine. Faster burn rate seems to produce more consistent pressures before bolt/buffer moves back. Below were my initial load development testing away from the usual 25/50 yard shooting spot and I got Strike Industries fixed stock to replace adjustable stock to test again at 50 yards - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...endence-from-work.853305/page-4#post-11387109
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Catpop
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I’m running a test presently with 115 gr LRN (sorry not 124)
I’ve used RD, Win 231, WSF, Ram Shot Competition and now Unique.
I’ve found Unique has given the best results so far.
I also found it took 4.3 RD to function my SDVE reliably. Jmtcw
I’ve used RD, Win 231, WSF, Ram Shot Competition and now Unique.
I’ve found Unique has given the best results so far.
I also found it took 4.3 RD to function my SDVE reliably. Jmtcw
rfwobbly
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Haven't got W244 yet, but I understand it's approximately the same burn rate as W231, which is approximately the same burn rate as Sport Pistol. So you may have some duplication there.
I've tried both in 9mm. The burn rates are wonderful for plinking, but Red Dot is an older, big flake powder that doesn't meter that great compared to the newer powders. I think the "golden years" for Red Dot were the 70's and 80's. If I stocked it for shotgun, then I'd use it in 9mm. But I certainly wouldn't buy a new can to use only in 9mm.
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LiveLife
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Based on what I have seen and read so far, Sport Pistol is slightly faster burning than W231/HP-38 more on par with Titegroup/Target/N320 and W244 is slightly slower burning than W231/HP-38.
AJC1
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Titegroup is super cheap and is sold everywhere including academy. Your 115 cast boolit will run super nice with 3.9-4.0 grains. The big difference will be case fill. You can double charge and even triple if your drunk with TG. With a max load of unique the case is full. My 11yo likes that TG load in my glock 17. He is very recoil sensitive right now and has only shot 9 a few times. This is the load i would hand a brand new shooter and sit back and watch the smiles.
LiveLife
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Same for Promo, large fluffy flakes that won't allow double charges. If you look at Post #8, most accurate loads have been 100% case fill or almost 100% case fill loads that will overflow the case with double charge - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/9-mm-loads.865271/#post-11429686
Like Unique, Promo charges will come right up to the base of seated bullet compared to more dense powders that will leave an air gap (Link shows max case fill calculations) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/unique-advice.855365/#post-11215079
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AJC1
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I dont normally like the idea that case fill leads to safety. Paying attention to what your doing and having a good processes should provide all the protection required. If someone is brand new to reloading having an additional factor such as case fill to add an additional layer is reasonable. I guess working on thermonuclear weapons for so many years makes me have crazy beliefs that focus on the task at hand is what is required.Same for Promo, large fluffy flakes that won't allow double charges.
If you look at Post #8, most accurate loads have been 100% case fill or almost 100% case fill loads that will overflow the case with double charge - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/9-mm-loads.865271/#post-11429686
LiveLife
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If you follow my posts for any length, you will find that I am often user of denser powders that could allow double charges and believe safe consistent reloading practice is paramount.
My interest of near 100% or max case fill loads is if an air gap exists for a particular bullet/OAL and powder charge, when the round chambers and slams the powder charge forward (semi-autos usually fire with powder forward), air gap in front of flash hole could exist and primer flash may need to jump across this air gap to reach the powder granules. With near 100%/max case fill loads, powder granules will be closer to the flash hole, which I think could result in more consistent powder ignition and burn.
After determining the longest working OAL and most accurate powder charge from full powder work up, incrementally decreasing the OAL (say by .005") to see if group size decreases is not only improving neck tension from seating the bullet deeper but also reducing the air gap between the powder charge and bullet base to ensure powder granules are close to flash hole when primer ignites.
I have done 1.150"-1.160" OAL vs 1.110"-1.130" OAL comparison range tests with 115 gr FMJ/RN bullets and different powders and shorter OAL (without compressing the powder charge) tended to produce smaller groups. I only use longer than 1.130"-1.135" OAL with 115/124 gr FMJ/RN bullets so as to not compress powder charge.
AJC1
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I tend to agree with all of that, to include my observations that it also holds true in rifle rounds that i have loaded. I enjoy conversation so do not believe that i am arguing.
I also believe that a lot of people do think its important to use a powder that does not allow double charge and that comment was not pointed at you but more a positional statement.
My 9mm oal is mostly 1.090
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