91 year old WW2 Vet beaten viciously for car.

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My question is: due to the mans advanced age and frailty, is using a gun legal to defend the Vet? Although, the man only used his fists, is this a situation warranting the use of a gun?
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You bet.

There was a large Samoan guy named Tavai who did essentially the same thing to a Texas CCW holder who was much younger than this victim. Due to the savageness of the attack, the fact that the victim was trapped in his car, and the disparity in size between the attacker and the victim, Tavai's shooting was ruled justifiable homicide.
 
That makes me sick, that is just as bad, maybe even worse than the video of the girl beat by that PO in Chicago.
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The beating of the barmaid by Officer Anthony Abbate is worse than this beating for the simple reason that while both are crimes, the cop's actions undermined the entire "justice" system. Some level of violent crime is inevitable, but when those allegedly charged with fighting crime commit it, it's like an auto-immune disease like AIDS, causing the body politic to destroy itself. Remember, there were passive witnesses to the Abbate beating too. Why? At least some of them were afraid not only of Abbate, but of his comrades in the Chicago PD.

That having been said, I wish the old man had been carrying and had shot that animal to death. Here in the Cleveland area, we recently had a man do exactly that to an armed robber who was out on parole for armed robbery.
 
while i appreciate the need for law and order, and i also agree that THR is a great place that should remain devoid of dumbasses, i also believe that my suggestion is valid.

However, as a newb to this site, i apologize if my comments were out of line and i will remember to curb my temper in the future.
 
Again the disparity of force between the victim and the assailant has no bearing on whether you can shoot, unless we are talking about the victim doing the shooting.
 
Rule of Thumb

If the assailant has the opportunity, ability, and is acting in a manner that threatens grievous bodily harm or death lethal force is justified in defense of person. This rule is generally applicable throughout the U.S. and Canada. Obviously, if you are able to stop the attack without using lethal force it is preferable to do so.

In this case, the 91 year old victim is certainly justified in using lethal force. (My opinion)

You or I probably wouldn't be justified in using lethal force.
 
under most lethal force statutes, this man's advanced age and the visciousness of the attack would likely allow for the use of force in protection of a third party. shame of the 5 duds who stood by watching this happen and did nothing, and then let the accomplice walk away and without even attempting to detain her. our society is one big cluster fck.
 
wow...that is ridiculous

i think it is sad as well that they allowed a older man to be beaten and then the guy just drove away as if nothing happened. those people are cowards.
 
Hard to not get angry about something like that. But what a tough old guy! I think he fared better than I would have, had I taken those blows. Hope he makes a full recovery.

I hope the pos that beat him gets sent to prison until he's 91. And when he gets out, somebody beats the c**p out of him.

Tuckerdog1
 
I am with a lot of the posters here. I could not stand by and watch something like that happen. I would have to get involved, and to hell with possible lawsuits or getting thrown in jail or whatever. God bless the old Gentleman, I hope he's OK.
 
I can assure you, if the thug took 21 punches to the head from ME we would not live to talk about it.

That being said, my grandmother, 80 at the time it happened, had her purse stolen by two thugs: she got hit on the head with a hard object, thrown down the stairs, and kicked several times; 2 ribs broken. I'm not making this up. She never recovered, and eventually passed away from the injuries a year or so later. The hell with the legal consequences. If I ever see a helpless eldery citizen being assaulted like that, I pray I will have to courage to stop it right there and then. And I dare any grand jurry to send me to trial :fire: :fire: :fire:
 
Can you believe that 5 people stood by and did nothing? In my opinion the Bystanders should be charged as accomplises. Miscreant worthless bottomfeeding j%&*offs!!!!
 
man, that's not right on so many levels, I would've gladly taken an beating to defend that old man, at least the old man is ok (somewhat), he took those punches suprisingly well, tough ol' guy, criminals like that deserve to have their lives taken away through means of a cell or otherwise...
 
When I post about how many rounds I carry to and from work in Detroit, some people have asked why I pack so heavy. Once again we wtiness the Detroit-mentality...stand by and watch as someone gets their back-side beaten. In Detroit...you're on your own, even in the middle of a crowd...you're alone!

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I would have shouted one warning

I am not good at fighting hand to hand and I have been in a few life and death duke city exchanges. They have never worked out well, you can get damaged real easy and early. If you do you are toast. In all such cases you simply must prevail and if the only effective thing to do is to shoot the perp you shoot him. I'd have told him to stop or I would shoot him, if he didn't stop I would have shot him till he dropped. As for those people milling about, they were obviously lose confederates of his or at least in sympathy, good reason to have elected to use deadly force rather than take a chance at winning the struggle by trying a less effective alternative. Anyone of his blows could have killed that man. I am curious if the people milling about offered first aid?
I was recently injured and had to wear a boot and was in a lot of pain moving around. I would not have had a prayer of running away or fighting off a young fit animal. It was an odd feeling and not one I am used to. Gave me a big glimpse into what it is going to like being a old man and a more obvious target.
One reason I can't understand how older people could possibly support gun control or support the AARP which supports gun control. I hope this was high road enough. I hope the perp gets 20 years for that but I doubt he will spend anytime in jail at all for the assault or stealing the car.
 
In Fl. you have the right to do whatever it takes to stop something like this including deadly force. What if this was your father or grandfather. I'd shoot the sombitch like the mangey dog deserves. I think my bloodpressure just jumped several points. I cannot begin to tell you how angry I am. This makes me sick.
 
Culture problem. Planted, fostered and protected by change agents - people that have been allowed to gain control of the seat of power in this country over about 45 years. They need to be addressed first of all.

A freely armed state would have allowed our senior vet the opportunity to defend himself and his property.

A fitting number of lashes, followed by a fitting number of years at genuine hard labor while residing in something less than a stewarded hotel, would deter some of these thugs. Most of those that survived their acts and got caught would think twice before attempting such a thing again.

If police, judicial and penatential resources were not largely preoccupied with a great number of victimless "crimes", there would be sufficient resources to deal with the perpetrators of actual crimes against actual persons such as this one.

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That crowd of people looked like they knew the Jacker.
They'll get caught and get away with it.
 
My wife (an English teacher here in NC), not normally one to advocate violence of any kind had had the following to say:

"I'd be willing to lose my job (a certainty in a self defence case with her school district) or go to jail to get that <censored> to stop hurting that man."

I love my woman :)
 
but there are times when common decency come into play and frankly if I stood by and watched an old man be beaten half to death or a woman rapped I couldn't look at myself in the mirror, but I damn sure could after killing the bastard.
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I agree if anybody hurts my family or if I seen somebody being murdered, raped, etc, They wouldn't live to see the next day! That really burns me up :fire: to see someone who has fought for our country get disrespected and beat up like that:banghead: :cuss:
 
I interned for an auto maker years ago in the Detroit area and ventured into the city on several occasions with friends....

based on those limited experiences, this story does not surprise me.
 
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For everyone who said they would have shot the guy beating the vet, good for you. For the rest who would have not gotten involved for fear of being sued, going to jail, or simply just looking out for Number 1, shame on you. You disgust me.
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I totally agree with this sentiment! The law is not to be mistaken for a
sound measuring tool of morality.
 
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