9mm cases not ejecting.

[kingmt]

I still think it is a mix of light charge & limp wrest/lose grip.

 

[Muddydogs]

Defiantly not a limp wrist. I shoot a few thousand rounds out of a Kahr, XD and LCP a year not to mention the mag six guns. I may have a low left problem but I don't have a grip problem.

Pistol functions fine until these reloads, the smart thing to do is focus there. I will let you know what happens with a little more charge.

 

[LiveLife]

Pistol functions fine until these reloads

Well, then we are back to the reloads.

 

[GLOOB]

Title should be "9mm cases not EXTRACTING." Maybe a mod could fix this?

Muddy, I've have the exact same problems with my G27. With 40SW and 9mm (LW conversion). Always when I'm exploring top end load data. Same "problem" loads always work fine in all my other handguns, including the G26/7's bigger brothers. Most recently I had this happen with a 125 gr 9mm cast load with Unique that was on the hot side (IIRC, I was using 5.05gr Unique, which is slightly beyond max according to some sources). And, FYI, my recoil AND extractor springs were replaced recently, less than 1k rounds on them.

This baby Glock can barely handle its business when everything is right; it has a light slide and the Glock action unlocks VERY quickly.* When the recoil spring starts to wear out (in as little as 1-2k rounds with full power ammo), or you otherwise overstep its bounds, the gun is unlocking while pressures are still too high for the extractor to remove the case. I.e., the pressure is still too high, case walls are being pushed against the chamber, static friction is high, extractor loses the battle, and case gets left in the chamber.

I dunno where you got your load info for this unusual bullet weight. Instinctively, it seems reasonable. But I am 99% sure your load is too hot for your gun. Try backing off a little on the charge. Or change to a faster powder for cast bullets, specifically. If you go up on the charge, I guarantee your problem will be worse and possibly even dangerous.

*Also, the Glock design has a quirk where the extractor tension actually oscillates in the moments after the slide starts to move. And it can decrease at the moment it pulls against a stuck case. If you understand physics, you will understand this; and how the lighter the slide, the greater will be this effect. Google and read about White Sound HRED for more info. I haven't tried the HRED, so I dunno if it works or not. Backing off on charge has always worked for me.

 

[Jeepman007]

I am experiencing the exact issue the Op is. Only difference is 124gr in a G19.

Using Unique and a LoadMaster I started with a drop of 4.7g, went to the range and out of a box of 50, had 5 failures to extract. Would drop the slide on the rnd without stripping. But extremely accurate and comfortable to shoot. (heavy stripling on the handle)

I bumped the load to the next disk size which gave me 5.7g. (this is the max load for this bullet based on Alliant Powders site) This had the same effect although I was double feeding with the spent shell still in the chamber.
Also, the recoil was on the +p side, hand was taking a beating. After 5rnds I felt it was to much recoil, and I had my reservations due to the amount of space in the casing the powder took up.

I ordered the adjustable powder drop and turned out 50rnds with 5g thinking this would be a good point in between what I was experiencing.

Today I went to the range and out of the 50, had the same double feed issue. Cases still in chanber, round trying to feed.

I just started reloading at the first of the year and used the Unique in my 45 M&P with 200g lead rnd nose w/ 5.7g drops. It works fantastic. Several hundred rnds fired without 1 issue. And right on the money. Actually more accurate than factory.

After reading this posting, I am starting to think Unique is maybe not a good powder for 9mm. The pressures might not be coming down fast enough with the recoil impulse causing the case to stick the moment of release causing the extractor to jump the rim.

I put 50rnds of factory thru it right after without any issue. And this gun has never given any issue. 13k rnds and counting. Only my reloads are an issue.

Hope my input adds value to the post.

 

[LiveLife]

I am experiencing the exact issue the Op is. Only difference is 124gr in a G19.

Unique ... 4.7g, ... box of 50, ... 5 failures to extract. Would drop the slide on the rnd without stripping.

5.7g. ... had the same effect ... double feeding with the spent shell still in the chamber ... recoil was on the +p side ... I felt it was to much recoil, and I had my reservations due to the amount of space in the casing the powder took up.

50 rnds with 5g ... had the same double feed issue. Cases still in chanber, round trying to feed.

I put 50rnds of factory thru it right after without any issue. And this gun has never given any issue. 13k rnds and counting. Only my reloads are an issue.

Interesting ...

After reading this posting, I am starting to think Unique is maybe not a good powder for 9mm. The pressures might not be coming down fast enough with the recoil impulse causing the case to stick the moment of release causing the extractor to jump the rim.

Have you experienced same extraction issue with other powder reloads?

 

[Jeepman007]

Unfortunately I started reloading after all the stupidity broke out. I had been collecting powder/primers/projectiles for the last year and Unique is the only handgun powder I have.

And with the fantastic 45ACP reloads, I happened upon 8lbs recently and jumped on it. Wish now I would have grabbed one of the other handgun powders they had for the 9mm.

Just leaves more 45 shooting.

I'm going to see if one of my friends are interested in trading or selling some of their handgun powder.

 

[Jeepman007]

Interesting ...



Have you experienced same extraction issue with other powder reloads?

Just to reiterate, never 1 issue with any factory loaded ammo. Everything from Federal/Winchester/PMC and even Wolf to name a few I have put thru it over the years.

 

[GLOOB]

Jeep man. Wild guess. Are u using rainiers bullets?

Anyway. It sounds to me u can afford to double check your scale. If 5 gr behind 124 jacketed bullet is making your G19 choke like that, something is wrong, somewhere.

 

[Jeepman007]

Jeep man. Wild guess. Are u using rainiers bullets?

Anyway. It sounds to me u can afford to double check your scale. If 5 gr behind 124 jacketed bullet is making your G19 choke like that, something is wrong, somewhere.

They are from Youngs Enterprises out of Orange City FL

I have a Hornady digital and an old beam scale that I check everything with initially. Both have reported the same weights.

I'm still somewhat concerned about the case volume. 5g still seems a bit full.

Gonna try 4.8 next.

 

[LiveLife]

Well, at this point, if OP's and Jeepman007's Glocks worked well with factory rounds but only experienced the "same" issue of spent case not extracting while the slide cycled enough to strip another round from the magazine with only Unique powder loads, I would suspect the reloads.

It would be nice if they had other powders to do comparison range tests with but looks like that may not be an option for the moment.

Any users of Unique and 9mm experience similar problems with Glocks?

 

[GLOOB]

Jeep. Those look like plated bullets. I bet they're thin skinned too. Like Rainiers. I'd try using cast lead load data.

Bds yeah just leave me out. Its not like I didn't have the same problem, same gun, cast bullets, and with Unique, all like OP.

 

[LiveLife]

I've have the exact same problems with my G27. With 40SW and 9mm (LW conversion). Always when I'm exploring top end load data. Same "problem" loads always work fine in all my other handguns, including the G26/7's bigger brothers. Most recently I had this happen with a 125 gr 9mm cast load with Unique that was on the hot side ...

... same problem, same gun, cast bullets, and with Unique, all like OP

So you had the same extraction problem with other powders than Unique?

Did you have the same extraction problem with factory load too?

 

[GLOOB]

Factory loads were fine. I also had same issue with autocomp powder in 40SW configuration. But both times I found out I was just a little over max. First time I was loading rainiers with jacketed data. And the last time I guestimated a cast load by backing 10% off my jacketed load. and found later that was over max. Too hot for the lil G26.

I stated my hypothesis in post #29. I might be missing some details but I think I got a pretty good explantation.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I'm loading a 124gr FMJ bullet over W231 and shooting them in a Glock 19 without any issues. I haven't shot any Longshot or HS-6 loads in the Glock yet so I can't say how the slower powders will perform. I didn't shoot any lead in the Glock yet either and I've only shot 300 rounds or so in this gun, it's new...

 

[LiveLife]

How about this?

If other THR members have Glock 26, 115/124/125 gr bullets and Unique, if you could try to duplicate failure to extract issues posted on this thread?

Slide strips another round from the magazine but the spent case is still in the chamber

I no longer have a G26 and never loaded it with Unique. I have G27/G23/G22 with 40-9 conversion barrels but 40S&W extractor and 9mm case may be an issue so it would not be a duplication of failure to extract.

 

[Jeepman007]

I sent out an email to my shooting group here looking for some other handgun powder to test. Will hopefully have something to test this week.

 

[GLOOB]

If other THR members have Glock 26, 115/124/125 gr bullets and Unique

If they stick to modern load info, they'll be fine.

OP was using what's probably ancient Lyman load info on an unusual 105gr SWC. I bet it's too hot, is all. Or being a SWC, maybe the info was tailored for a 9mm revolver. (Revolvers have to watch for peak pressure is all, not cycling momentum). And/or maybe it's just time for him to change some springs in the lil G26.

Jeep was using jacketed data to load plated bullets. And he started at the max. I've been there and done that with the same results. Even when he dropped down to 5 gr, that's still over max for a 124 gr CAST bullet, and there's possibly some stress to the extractor spring already done. Some plated bullets have a thicker plate and can be shot like jacketed, but maybe Jeep's bullets aren't so thick. Still, I'm a bit surprised since he was using the larger G19.

I'm confident this doesn't have anything to do with Unique. It's all I shoot with my 115 JHPs and my 124 gr Berrys (for which I do use jacketed data, unlike Rainiers). And my 180 gr cast 40SW loads. Nary a problem in my Glock 26/7/19 when sticking to the books.

 

[Jeepman007]

If they stick to modern load info, they'll be fine.

OP was using what's probably ancient Lyman load info on an unusual 105gr SWC. I bet it's too hot, is all. Or being a SWC, maybe the info was tailored for a 9mm revolver. (Revolvers have to watch for peak pressure is all, not cycling momentum). And/or maybe it's just time for him to change some springs in the lil G26.

Jeep was using jacketed data to load plated bullets. And he started at the max. I've been there and done that with the same results. Even when he dropped down to 5 gr, that's still over max for a 124 gr CAST bullet, and there's possibly some stress to the extractor spring already done. Some plated bullets have a thicker plate and can be shot like jacketed, but maybe Jeep's bullets aren't so thick. Still, I'm a bit surprised since he was using the larger G19.

I'm confident this doesn't have anything to do with Unique. It's all I shoot with my 115 JHPs and my 124 gr Berrys (for which I do use jacketed data, unlike Rainiers). And my 180 gr cast 40SW loads. Nary a problem in my Glock 26/7/19 when sticking to the books.

You might be correct. Gonna try to lower the powder down and pay more attention to the results if I have the same feeding issues. Being the first run was with 4.7, I may have thought under powered but may have been over powered. Will let ya know the results.

 

[Muddydogs]

If they stick to modern load info, they'll be fine.

OP was using what's probably ancient Lyman load info on an unusual 105gr SWC. I bet it's too hot, is all. Or being a SWC, maybe the info was tailored for a 9mm revolver. (Revolvers have to watch for peak pressure is all, not cycling momentum). And/or maybe it's just time for him to change some springs in the lil G26.

Why does everyone assume that everyone else is an idiot or has no idea what there doing? I took the load out of the new Layman cast load book and if you would have read my posts you would have seen that I used the 102 round nose data for my 108 SWC and used the starting load of 5.7 grains. The load is a light load with light recoil so how could it be to hot.

Also why would I rebuild the engine and tranny in my truck when the blinker isn't working? Lets start with the one thing that changed and look at that, pistol functions fine with factory rounds but FTF with reloads so the springs must have went bad between a factory round and a reload.

As for Unique powder I have shot thousands of rounds loaded with Unique and never had a problem with function or the supposed dirty powder.

Not trying to be an *** and I appreciate the in site as to why the pistol is not extracting a case when the slide is obviously cycling fully.

By the way the Lee 105 swc is not unusual and has been around a long time. Guys are running them as a light load in 9mm and 38. Some are even playing around with them in there 380's

 

[LiveLife]

So if "too much powder charge"is the reason for failure to extract, how does it explain heavy factory loads not causing extraction issues.

I have shot plenty of +P ammo through Gen3 Glock 26/27+LW conversion barrel without extraction issue expressed on this thread.

 

[evan price]

I load the Lee 105-swc in 9mm but I use Promo which is Red Dot speed.

Today, sat down and cast a thousand more of the little 105-SWC boolit. Once I get that 6-cavity mold going it just chugs them out.
Lead was Range scrap approx. BHN 12.
Tumble-lubed in 50-50 ALOX & mineral spirits before and after sizing.
Sized with Lee push-through sizer .357, which leaves them .356" and just right.
Loaded over 4.8 grains of PROMO powder in nickel range brass and Wolf SP primers.
Nice shooting load, accurate, clean burning, no leading to see, ejected brass looked almost unfired.

 

[Centaur 1]

I gave up trying to use the Lee 105gr in the 9mm and .380acp. No matter what I tried I couldn't get 100% reliability with it. Now I just use the swc in my .38's, and I use the ranch dog 100gr bullet in my semi-auto's. In my G26 I've gone all the way down to 4gr Unique with no problems.

 

[LiveLife]

So we have gone from extractor to Unique powder charge to bullet.

Are we making any progress explaining why OP's G26 is not extracting the spent case while the slide is stripping the round from the magazine and powder charge is enough to lock the slide back?

 

[THe Dove]

Why does everyone assume that everyone else is an idiot or has no idea what there doing?

Have you read some of the questions/posts on the reloading section of THR site?

The Dove